I hope the show improves, but with Frons still in charge, I don't see any new writer's being allowed to do much but what HE dictates. It's HIM and HIS agenda that's kill the ABC soaps
I don't know if thats true. OLTL & GH are great. I'm very happy with both shows. AMC stinks, but it will until the Pratt stuff is over.
Quote: I don't know if that's true. OLTL & GH are great. I'm very happy with both shows. AMC stinks, but it will until the Pratt stuff is over. It's going to take more than having all the 'Pratt stuff gone' to have AMC improve.If you watched today's show, you'd understand. Ask yourself this, is this why Stuart died? a beloved iconic character whose death has done nothing except create storyline for a revolting character, Annie. Annie is a smug, smirking manipulative bit*&^th. She's the Charley Manson of AMC all thanks to Chuckie P. He killed off Stuart so he could showcase his pet. He sacrificed a kind, loving and gracious character for this cold blooded killer and child abuser who pays for nothing. He made Adam a eunuch for her. Adam has barely grieved for his beloved twin who truly was his better half. David Canary was a second string character in this awful, awful, awful storyline.I will no longer be watching AMC after a few weeks nor buying SOD or SOW because Thorsten Kaye and Alicia Minshew will no longer be part of AMC. I do not wish to see this dark, cold and soulless show feature a character that should have been gone a long time ago.I can only hope that the interim and long term writer will cleanse Pine Valley of this blight. I hope she's the first casualty of the new writer. Maybe, maybe then when AMC shows some sign of morality It will have a glimmer of hope to survive.
Well, there is no way in h*ll the show will survive if everyone stops watching the show just because 1 actor is leaving... I like Zach and thing TK is an awesome actor, but there have been hundreds if not thousands of actors over the 40 years who have come and gone and AMC is still around... I am going to stick around and give the new writers a chance to bring back the AMC that I have loved for 30 years!!!
You know what? I have watched the show for many MANY years and I have lost many couples and favorite actors over the years and I have never stopped watching.
However, I am stopping now. This is the first time that there is nothing holding my interest in the show other than Zach and Kendall. The characters I do like..such as Adam...have been ruined and there is so much dead wood on the show, it's overwhelming.
I have absolutely no interest in watching murderer Annie go free, Adam without balls, Madison excused from murder because she had a bad childhood, David pretending he's dying, wimp Jake being proclaimed as a hero, Amanda with no brains, hypocrit LIza and a bunch of actors who can't act their way out of paperbags.
Add that to probable nauseating triangle of Ryan-Erica-Greenlee and I would just as soon throw my TV out the window than continue to watch AMC.
I can't say I will never come back..but for now, Pratt's leftovers and the repercussions he created are emeshed in today's AMC and it's not for me. Pratt may be gone but the people that hired him and approved his work for over a year are still there. Who are gone are the hundreds of workers that worked on the show in NY who lost their jobs when ABC decided to move AMC to LA.
It's not so much that Zach and Kendall are leaving, though I admit it's a big part of my feelings. It's that the product that will remain behind is of no interest to me...and it's a product I no longer respect.
Do I want to give the new headwriter a chance? Are they replacing the big wigs at ABC who hired Pratt and approved his work for over a year? I don't think so. I have lost my faith in AMC and I see no reason to give them any more chances. They have insulted my intelligence one too many times.
If you feel that the show still has something to offer you, then by all means watch. But I will watch if and when I find that AMC has something to offer me. Sadly, right now, I got nothing.
Besides, I feel a tremendous lack of respect from ABC to me the audience, to my favorite actors, to the people who lost their jobs in NY and to the history of AMC. And I don't have to heart to watch.
Amen!!!! I have said that before but boy did I get knocked down.I love TK. I love him so...much that I respect the fact that he is such a great dad that his kids/ family comes first. That just makes him better to me. I have had so...many beloved actors leave my shows that it's part of the process....I hate it, but its life. As far as the show now. Yes it stinks, but uts still Pratts crap. That has to run its cource. IT will be bumpy for a long time. These shows have up's & downs...real fans stick it out or at elast check in from time to time & see what progress has been made.I'm still hoping TK goes back to OLTL. To me he was equally great on both shows.
Quote:It's not so much that Zach and Kendall are leaving, though I admit it's a big part of my feelings. It's that the product that will remain behind is of no interest to me...and it's a product I no longer respect...If you feel that the show still has something to offer you, then by all means watch. But I will watch if and when I find that AMC has something to offer me. Sadly, right now, I got nothing. That's it in a nutshell. I held on to AMC and kept watching when it wasn't entertaining because I had the hope that I'd see something that would interest me, especially with Thorsten Kaye and Alicia Minshew still on the show. After December, they'll be gone for a long time, and in TK's case, possibly forever, unless there's a change down the line. Bottom line is, AMC offers me nothing right now if Zendall aren't on. I'm watching AMC proclaim Adam and Annie a great love story and this is another classic example of ABC/AMC telling me that they're superduper, but showing me squat. Pratt spent months swinging between Annie falling for Adam, and Annie using Adam, and he couldn't figure out which way to go, so I lost interest and now I can't believe that User Annie is actually Soulmate Annie. Every week seems to be the same thing for Colby and JR: when will Adam put them first? Enough already. Marissa is an appendage of JR and not a character in her own right. I have no interest in Liza because of the writing for her for the first 6 months of Jamie Luner's time on AMC. Liza was written as a sex kitten who lusted for a married man, made a play for him, blackmailed Jake into continuing with the baby adoption plan, lied to her daughter about being pregnant, and now is finally, at long last, interacting with Tad, which she should have done from the start, but I'm too fed up with Liza to see the broken-hearted mom who gave up Stuart to his biological parents, who are also two characters I don't care about.Righteous Ryan, whose crap never stinks, is now Erica's savior. If AMC would make him pay for his sins and errors, just once, I'd like him better. But having him act holier than thou with Zach about Kendall running off with Aidan, when Ryan had no problem bedding Kendall here, there and everywhere, despite her marital status? He needs to be punched out. Hard.Madison is a newbie I have little interest in. Pratt took her too far when she clocked North in the head for his philandering, and now I'm supposed to believe that it's all Daddy's fault? Frandi bore me. Jesse and Angie could be awesome if AMC would take a chance and write for them, and give them real conflict for a change. Natalia is too self-righteous, Brot is cute but not leading man material, IMO, and Krystal hasn't had a storyline in 9 or 10 months.AMC is only worth my time and attention if it entertains. It's behind the eight-ball with TK and AM off the show, and I see no signs of improvement any time soon. So yes, I'm not going to be watching after December. If AMC wants me as a viewer, they're going to have to earn my viewership, not take it for granted. And I don't think that's asking too much of any TV show, which should be in the business of attracting and courting viewers. AMC lost that concept along the way and it needs to get it back, stat.
Quote:Well, there is no way in h*ll the show will survive if everyone stops watching the show just because 1 actor is leaving... I like Zach and thing TK is an awesome actor, but there have been hundreds if not thousands of actors over the 40 years who have come and gone and AMC is still around... I am going to stick around and give the new writers a chance to bring back the AMC that I have loved for 30 years!!! The show doesn't 't deserve to survive.I have watched this show since 1978, I was eight. I loved many characters and couples. I cried my eyes out when Jessie's uncle Frank died; I cried my eyes out after Jenny died. I cried my eyes out when Mona died, Tad and Dixie broke up, when Mike Roy died, when Adam and Brooke broke up, when Tad was abandoned and etc., etc. but not once after all those times did I stop watching. I am leaving now because of the disintegration of character integrity, show history and the disrespect by ABC for the very people they are trying to keep, me!I will no longer watch because after Thorsten Kaye leaves there is not one, not one actor or actress whose character is worth giving up an hour of my time, and that includes the wonderful David Canary who has become castrated by the revolting Annie.. ABC and AMC by extension, has lost all respect for the intellect of their fans, respect for civil law and has no sense of morality. Am I a prude no..but I do know when someone commits a murder it carries heavy consequences. I have no desire to see a murderess continue to swagger, smirk and show her smug face on my screen day after day without having paid for her crimes real or fictional.How can SOD or SOW not have had the integrity to mention how skewed AMC is in this department is beyond me.Both Alicia Minshew and Thorsten Kaye brought a witty intelligence and sophistication that all the others lack.They brought class to this creatively challenged show and were able to turn the horrendous writing for them into, not riveting, but at least palatable because of who they are. Not so the others.The show used to be first class; it still will have class after Thorsten and Alicia leave but it will be all third!
As far as the show now. Yes it stinks, ...real fans stick it out or at elast check in from time to time & see what progress has been made.
As I said before, if you want to continue to watch the show because you think it has something to offer you, please do.
But do NOT..,and I repeat DO NOT insinuate that I am not a REAL fan because I chose to turn AMC off at this time. That is just an INSULT...and uncalled for.
I AM a real fan, have been a real fan for over 35 years and I continue to be a real fan - of AMC as I remember it, not as the shlock that is called AMC today run by the hacks that are running it today.
As far as I know, this forum is designed so we can speak about All My Children, not judge fellow posters. Who gives you the right to assess who is a REAL fan and who is not?
Take it however you want. If one or two actors are the main reason A person watches & will stop due to that them leaving, then in my opinion ( still a free country?) that is not a fan of the show, just the actor. Also I said at least check in from time to time to see the progress.I thinks its odd that everyone is more concerned over not seeing two actors instead of respecting that their familes come first as it should... I know I wouldn't want or expect my wishes to come before anyones family..thats just wrongLike you said we are here to state our opinions. I really,do not mean, to be mean or like ticking people off. But I find it funny that if you don't agree with most of you then your not welcome here. When y'all say don't agree with me I just go to the GH thread or OLTL or turn this off... I have watched all the ABC shows for well over 30 years,Through good times & bad. I've turned them off & check back in from time to time when they have been real real bad..like AMC is now.I am SORRY to ALL I offended. Good day & Merry Christmas
I thinks its odd that everyone is more concerned over not seeing two actors instead of respecting that their familes come first as it should... I know I wouldn't want or expect my wishes to come before anyones family..thats just wrong
Like you said we are here to state our opinions. I really,do not mean, to be mean or like ticking people off. Quote:
I don't know. I don't think there's anything "odd" or "wrong" about me wanting ABC to make a very nice offer when negotiating with an actor who's been the lead actor on the show and on whom ABC and AMC have relied for so much, for so long. It shows how much I, as a fan, care about him and his family to want ABC to make more of an effort to keep him on the show. If Mr. Kaye turns down the offer because his family comes first, so be it, but I'd like ABC to give it one heck of an effort.
Life is funny. One second, AMC is taping in NYC, and the next, they're announcing they're moving to L.A., and who saw that coming? I'd like ABC to do all it can to try to get Mr. Kaye to move to California. It doesn't make me "wrong" to want that, any more than it makes Dixie/Cady McClain fans wrong to want her return, or Aidan/Aiden Turner fans to want his return, or Bianca/Eden Riegel fans to want her return. It makes me passionate, which I think is part of what ABC is looking for from its viewers.
We all have our favorites, and AMC bores me when Zach and Kendall aren't on. Wish it didn't, but it does. Until AMC has a story that works, or until they're able to continue Zendall's story, I have to say, DOOL interests me more, but I can't see being as passionate about that show as I've been about AMC. Still, it shows that DOOL is doing something right, and AMC isn't, and that's not my problem. It's AMC's. I wish AMC luck in fixing things, but they have a checklist of things to fix or improve upon that makes climbing the Himalayas look easy. IMO, they have a long way to go, and probably too far to ever really accomplish what they need to, but I do wish them well.
Quote: Take it however you want. If one or two actors are the main reason A person watches & will stop due to that them leaving, then in my opinion ( still a free country?) that is not a fan of the show, just the actor. Also I said at least check in from time to time to see the progress.
I don't think it's anyone's place to dictate who is a real fan or not. This show hasn't given people much in the way of rootable couples and characters. I'd LOVE to have something to watch for other than Zen/TK/AM. I'm sick of having storylines highjacked by Ryan and things like that
What's been done to Adam to showcase Pratt's pet Annie/MCE pisses me off. Adam's been completely neutered to the point that he's unrecognizable.
Adam Chandler neutered....now, there's a vision....LOLWhy couldn't they spay Ryan??
Quote: Quote: Take it however you want. If one or two actors are the main reason A person watches & will stop due to that them leaving, then in my opinion ( still a free country?) that is not a fan of the show, just the actor. Also I said at least check in from time to time to see the progress. I don't think it's anyone's place to dictate who is a real fan or not. This show hasn't given people much in the way of rootable couples and characters. I'd LOVE to have something to watch for other than Zen/TK/AM. I'm sick of having storylines highjacked by Ryan and things like thatWhat's been done to Adam to showcase Pratt's pet Annie/MCE pisses me off. Adam's been completely neutered to the point that he's unrecognizable. ZF... ITA....I've watched this show for almost 40 years...the last 5 years the only thing that keep me watching was TK/AM.....Pratt was the final nail in the coffin of AMC for me,.... The treatment of TK makes me sick, but that's Frons... Treat the "REAL" talent like crap, let them go, all the while catering to the hair models, etc...There is nothing on this show worth watching anymore..The great characters are destoryed, damanged, neglected all the while they shove useless waste characters down our throats...I know many are upset over the treatment of AT....and by the destruction done to the character of Aidan... Hell, even SOW/SOD are continually on the Aidan train, but I don't see them and haven't seen either SOW/SOD speaking out about the destruction to other characters....or about the fact that AMC is losing 2 heavy hitters which will cost them..I applaud CH for calling them out on the TK stuff because someone damn well should...After Frons/McT screwed over the T/D fans with the crapfest of Dixie's return, FA/Summer from hell ish, and Dixie's death by pancakes, I saw, heard, & read many T/D fans saying screw you to AMC and they left....No one called them out for doing so...As a fan of TK/AM/Zach/Kendall/Zendall... I ticked off...3 years wasted on crap stories for 2 of the most talented in daytime... 2 great charactrers and the greatest couple AMC has ever seen..I watched the likes of Ryass, GL suck the life out of their stories....I watched them ripped to shred, damanged, almost destroyed so that the HW latest hard on gets put front/center with the lead male on the show....all the while trashing what TK/AM gave us..BOB, Reeks, Ryass, Fake Liza, Aidan, and the return of GL all damaged these two amazing characters and for what....so that TB/Reese, JL/Fake Liza could be front & Center... so that Ryass & GL could have a story...I have no desire to watch the Rylee hour, the Fake Liza hour, or the Annie from hell hour....,Look at Stuart's murder and the damn joke of a trail...,Pratt's intent was clear.... Screw good writing, just give his precious MCE something to keep her on camera.... No offense to the actress, but her character has gone too far.....,Adam destoryed for Annie....Makes me sick..I have no desire to tune into the RyEricaLee triangle from hell... Been there, done that, don't want to vomit anymore...Erica destroyed at the alter of Ryass.....GMAB...If this show wants me to tune back in after TK/AM leave....they need to do a few things...1) Hire a HW who knows how to write a decent story...,2) Get rid of the waste characters whose time has come & gone..3) Beg, plea, get on their hands & needs and get TK back..4) The bad guys need to pay.....and good must start to triumph....5) No more Ryass, Fake Liza, or Annie hour...I resent someone telling me that I'm not a real fan of AMC because I've watched this show for almost 40 years....I've been a loyal viewer, supporting the entire show, only to have [censored] spit in my face repeatedly....Only to see talented actors/actresses trashed & treated like dirt for TPTB pets....Whatever...... My AMC viewing days are coming to an end....and so will my SOW/SOD reading days.....so I guess I'm in the majority that aren't "REAL" fans...
I want to make clear that I was not questioning whether or not people are "real" fans... It is clear by the posts that many of those that are leaving are true fans who can't stand what has happened to our show... I too use my FF button so much that the FF on the button has all but disappeared... I completely understand the urge to stop recording and let it go... I have taken a couple of "breaks" over the last 2 years but can't seem to stay away for more than a couple of weeks... so any implied criticism is completely unintentional... I just hope that the improvements that I hope are coming, come sooner rather than later so that those long standing fans who have left or are about to leave can be lured back... so that ratings will soar and I won't lose all my BFFs
Endoracat I read your post and there was nothing in there to suggest you were calling anyone a less than REAL Fan..so thank you for the clarification, but no need to apologize, as far as I am concerned.
Endoracat, I hope you get your wish for a successful AMC. However, for me a thirty one year viewer, I will not come back to the characters that are being featured now. Pratt has debauched this show so badly and left such carnage in his wake, that there is nothing to keep me. What aggravates me is that AMC and ABC used Alicia Minshew to shill their products, Charm perfume and the book Charm because they knew what a draw she is. Thorsten Kaye is always on the ABC cruises and SSW. The majority of fans went to these events to see them and Susan Lucci, not Melissa Claire Eagan, Chrishell Stause or Bobbie Eakes. AMC's cash cows are gone, the show will be gone as well after they're gone. I wish good luck to the new head writer or the interim one because they have their work cut out for them and I doubt they have the time to turn things around.
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