I was thinking the same thing while watching her hop on the motorcycle with the stranger at the end of the show. I understand revenge and she deserves it, but this "new and improved with no memory" Marty just doesn't ring right with me. It seems like we will have to live her college days all over again.

I'm with you on that one. I think Marty has fallen in love with Todd, and doesn't know what the hell she's doing. I mean all she know's is what everyone has told her , that Todd had raped her in the past. She hasn't remembered any of it herself (that I know of.) So she is acting according to what she has been told and doesn't know what to make of her true feelings for Todd, so do what anyone else would do to their rapist, hence the fact that she doesn't remember it.

Quote:I was thinking the same thing while watching her hop on the motorcycle with the stranger at the end of the show. I understand revenge and she deserves it, but this "new and improved with no memory" Marty just doesn't ring right with me. It seems like we will have to live her college days all over again. I think they are taking her to a really dark place and I hope they don't write themselves into a corner. Marty was a free spirit but this is extreme. I understand that she has been through an awful experience but please. If she can't remember her rape than she can't remember her wild days. I think they need to stay true to the character before they have people feeling sorry for Todd. ..

I haven't seen the episode yet, but here is my dime:I think it is great to have her go wild! Because she has no memory, she has no moral compass. She is running on instinct. The big thing here is that, like another post said, she has to reconcile what she knows versus what she's been told. How do you do that? How do you reconcile what you know to be true on an intellectual level without that connection on the emotional level? So, this journey is actually great for the character, and the rage at the conflict is completely within character. If they get her to a really dark place, I am OK with it. Susan Haskell can make hair braiding compelling, so this should be a great ride.Flip over to Todd. It is high time for some major character growth. In doing something VERY Todd-like, he actually accidentally put himself on the path to growth. On that path, there is pain, realization, accountability and acceptance. Trevor St. John is selling it well. Todd can't keep going the way he has been, because that has been getting old for years. Do I think Todd's edge might re-emerge? Sure! Now, I hope that the writers find a plausible way to bring Todd & Marty together, but only after Marty has her memory back. These actors have very electric chemistry, and they should really work through to each other. I don't know how, but, I am sure there is a way.Don't beat me up!!!

~Smacks around Paul~Wha-at?!?!?! You want Todd and Marty together?!?!??! Whew! Now I feel better. I understand what you are saying and maybe I could (in time...a lot of healing...) accept them together, but both would have to grow, heal, and really want to be together. Marty just wants Todd dead and he's happy to try that. Hence the jumping in the water and almost drowning.

Quote: The big thing here is that, like another post said, she has to reconcile what she knows versus what she's been told.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. But the more that I think about it...it's true. How do you react to something that happened to you if you don't remember it. People are giving her their two cents on the past, but she will only be able to really deal with it...if or when she gets her memory back.

As far as taking off on a motorcycle with a stranger...she has to make some new memories or history for herself, maybe then she'll start to jog her memory. It's a sticky situation all the way around, weather your against her being with Todd, or willing to see if their can be together. We'll have to tune in to see where their going with this story.

As for Todd, I think he has come full circle in a way. He will be a changed person for a while, but something will eventually make him reveal his ugly ways once again in the future.

I think Carlivatti and team are gonna give mean and scheming Todd a little break. I do think Todd & Marty can be together. The first thing that has to happen is Marty gets her memory back, and embraces Cole. First and foremost. Period.Only then can Carlivatti and team craft a story where they acknowldge the fact they are in love, and want to be together, but cannot because of that horrible history. A lot of variables in there. Can they do it? Could it be worth persuing? I think so.

IMO there is NO way that Todd and Marty should be together..no way that Marty could ever accept anyone who kept her from her family and friends and lied to her for months. The fact that she was dreaming about a little boy and Todd insisted there was no boy in her past was heinous.Todd however has never grown up and he has taken advantage of Marty over and over and its not forgivable anymore. Todd may say he loves Marty but his opinion of what love is has always been warped and its never changed. Marty has never been in love with Todd..she believed she was in love with Todd, but that Todd was a lie..so there is no love to remember. Love does not function in a vaccum.Besides, it's a terrible message out there to show a "love story" with a rapist and a victim..I will never go along with it. I will never think this is a worthwhile storyline...never.I hate this new part of the storyline with Marty going TOO far..because IMO it's there to make Todd look less guilty and look like the wronged person and put Marty up there with the guilty...but I don't buy it. I am not so easily manipulated.

Quote:. I am not so easily manipulated. Story telling is about manipulation, to an extent, I'm afraid.However, look at the story through a different lens. Are you not willing to at least consider that in caring for Marty and nursing her back to health - even though his original intention and actions were cruel- may have changed him? Maybe Todd has grown, even against his own will? With all the damage he's done, will he be able salvage his relationships with his family? Remembern he started to do the right thing when John crashed the party. So who knows where it would have gone. Now Marty is in a different boat. She has no relationships in her mind. She is alone. She is afraid and pissed off. The only love she knows turned out to be a lie, but the love is still there! WHat do you do with that? Those are the only good memories she has!On an intellectual level, she knows she was raped, and comprehends the horror of it, but she can't feel it! Remember, Marty had moved on from the rape a few years ago when she came to town for a few days, and when Christina Chambers played her, so all that has to be factored in. So that's why I think if Carlivatti and team really take the time to explore all these variables, really break it down, there could be a great story there. Maybe they will discover it best not to be together. Who knows? I am in it for the ride. Todd has to be broken down and re-built. Marty has to take this journey, and it might not lead to her memory coming back in the end. Soaps have done that before! But, I believe it should.In the real world, there are documented cases of rapist and victim falling in love. While rare, it is not unheard of. There are stranger cases of love than that. Just keep an open mind to different possibilities.

Quote:Quote:. I am not so easily manipulated.
Story telling is about manipulation, to an extent, I'm afraid.

In the real world, there are documented cases of rapist and victim falling in love. While rare, it is not unheard of. There are stranger cases of love than that.

Just keep an open mind to different possibilities.

I don't agree that good storytelling is being manipulated. Its' certainly opening one's mind to new ideas, "going with the flow", etc..but manipulated to me has a negative connotation...where someone is trying to convince me of something that makes little sense.

I have little interest in any relationship based on rape-rapist. The fact that there may be an occasional worthwhile relationship in this category in real life does not change my mind to its basic prinicple that is is not a healthy relatioship..period...and that it's a terrible idea to present to the audience, some of whom are young and impressionable.

Todd could have indeed changed, but his past history and current history with Marty should not lead to a new relationship with her, maybe it will someone else. But Marty's relationship with Todd has been so manipulated and forced, she should turn and run the other way..no matter where Todd is now..because there is too much baggage there for anyone..healthy or otherwise.. to handle.

SO while I respect your opnion to believe as you wish, your suggestion that I keep an open mind in this situation is going to fall on deaf ears. I have no intention of keeping an open mind on something that I believe is WRONG on so many levels..and there is nothing that could make me think that this relationship could be good for Marty or for her son or for her support system. Good for Todd perhaps but it takes two...and in real life, people consider how their relationships affect their families not only themselves.

Todd still does not get this..as he tried to kill himself to make Marty happy...forgetting he has children and how this would have affected them. I hope Marty always remembers that there is no way that Cole would ever accept Todd and stays away from him on that level, if for no other.

I believe people change but you can't change what someone did to someone else. Todd raped Marty and there is no way they could be together. Maybe and I say maybe they could be friends and that is when Marty gets her memory back and is able to forgive him but as a couple I really think that ship has sailed. Maybe if Todd saves her from whomever she went on the motocycl with but that is about it. I think they will get to the point that they can talk but a relationship is out...

Sorry, it could never acceptable to the storyline for Marty to fall in love with her rapist! How discusting! When Todd waskeeping Marty prisoner, I didn't watch the episode where they had sex cuz it was just too discusting to think about.That situation caused me a 10 year hiatus from General Hospdue to the Luke & Laura situation. Having Laura fall in love with her rapist was unacceptable. (And I was a yound Idealistic college student back then But I also say, let them lead Marty to the dark side, it could make for a very interesting storyline!