(Exactly! This isn't Luke and Laura and anyone who tries to compare it is crazy. Luke fully admitted to what he did, but Todd is doing it for Todd. I'd love to see)But Todd has addmitted what he did to Marty. He has appoligized. Marty said she forgave him and even testifited for him at another rape case. Yes, he is taking advantage of her memory loss I do agree but I believe if we waited it out there is potential here. SHe could get her memory back and be mad at him but they could work through it. I don't think she belongs with John that si for sure. I love Susan as Marty but I could have done wih her staying dead. I really dont feel there is a place for her right now. All these stroies could have palyed out with out bringing her back and just hav skipped the whole Todd part. They didn't need to bring her back for Cole adn Starr story.

Some of my friends think that it's wrong for me to want to see where the Todd & Marty story could go, But I am willing to see what they have in store for us in the telling of this story. I also think that the portrayl of Christina Chambers' Marty was a little over the top. She acted like she was absolutly terrified of Todd, but that is not how I remember Susan Haskills last venture on the show.

Quote:(Exactly! This isn't Luke and Laura and anyone who tries to compare it is crazy. Luke fully admitted to what he did, but Todd is doing it for Todd. I'd love to see)But Todd has addmitted what he did to Marty. He has appoligized. Marty said she forgave him and even testifited for him at another rape case. Yes, he is taking advantage of her memory loss I do agree but I believe if we waited it out there is potential here. SHe could get her memory back and be mad at him but they could work through it. I don't think she belongs with John that si for sure. I love Susan as Marty but I could have done wih her staying dead. I really dont feel there is a place for her right now. All these stroies could have palyed out with out bringing her back and just hav skipped the whole Todd part. They didn't need to bring her back for Cole adn Starr story. Be mad at him, are you kidding him and work through it. Please say you are kidding me. There is no way to work through it. Again, if she was with him with her memory in tack that is fine with me but it isn't. Back a year ago she was fine and she didn't want to be with him so why would she now? The whole story is wrong. I can't watch. I can't wait for her to get back her memory and unleash her furry on Todd. He is evil...

Quote:But Todd has addmitted what he did to Marty. He has appoligized. Marty said she forgave him and even testifited for him at another rape case. Yes, he is taking advantage of her memory loss I do agree but I believe if we waited it out there is potential here. SHe could get her memory back and be mad at him but they could work through it. I don't think she belongs with John that si for sure. I love Susan as Marty but I could have done wih her staying dead. I really dont feel there is a place for her right now. All these stroies could have palyed out with out bringing her back and just hav skipped the whole Todd part. They didn't need to bring her back for Cole adn Starr story. Whoa Whoa Whoa! Work through it? OMG! The real Marty would never want to "work it out" with him. She would want to go for his throat and not stop. There's nothign to "work through." He held her and now she only wants to stay because she doesn't know anything is wrong. Just wait until she finds out everything. She ~will be~ out for Todd's blood.

Think Marty is a little angry? I love the way that Todd kept calling her "Sweetheart" give me a break. He is changed, well that it just too bad. If he had only been honest with her and she honestly wanted to be with him than I that would have been fine but I had a problem with this storyline all along. But the acting is amazing watching the anger grow on Marty's face is kind of worth it. Todd is going to be on everyone's you know what list...

This is why this storyline would only work with Susan Haskell. She has the depth, but she knows how the character would act when she found out. I can't wait until Todd gets his own. I hope this leads to Todd leaving for a while. Love the actor, but I'm hating the character more and more.

Quote:This is why this storyline would only work with Susan Haskell. She has the depth, but she knows how the character would act when she found out. I can't wait until Todd gets his own. I hope this leads to Todd leaving for a while. Love the actor, but I'm hating the character more and more. Yes, he needs to disappear or find Starr's baby because no one likes him right now.

Finding Starr's baby might be the only way to redeem himself just a little.

Quote:Finding Starr's baby might be the only way to redeem himself just a little. Once John realizes what happened to the baby he might think Todd did it and that could be the reason that Tea comes to town. Because if you remember during the fight Marty mentioned them raising Starr's baby and all. I bet John is going to say that Todd had something to do with the baby dying. Than Todd will try and find out the truth...The only way he can be redeemed. I was so glad last night when Marty yelled that he raped her all over again...what we have all been saying.

Who wants to bet that Marty finds herself pregnant?

I was thinking the same thing myself just the other day. People on this tread are joining to be angry if that is the direction that TPTB are going with this s/l. But I am willing to go along to see just how that would unfold.

That sounds logical actually. I forgot that he kept spouting about raising Starr's baby. I don't see why Tea would defend him because he hurt her as well. Hmmmm

I don't know about Tea since I wasn't watching the show when she was on, I hadn't discovered it yet. However, I loved this week with Marty finding out the truth. Wow. Holy crap, I thought John was going to kill him when he was beating on him.

Marty asked todd to sleep with her several times, todd did not want to he kept thinking about when he raped her and she kept asking him to sleep with her and he did. john has alot of nerve when he slept with blair i bet he didnt tell marty that

OLTL has been can't miss since last week. (I'm not talking about the Bess/Tess/Jess mess though) Starr, Cole, Marty, Blair, et all have done a wonderful job.

Quote:Marty asked todd to sleep with her several times, todd did not want to he kept thinking about when he raped her and she kept asking him to sleep with her and he did. john has alot of nerve when he slept with blair i bet he didnt tell marty that

I don't see the analogy. Marty asked Todd to sleep with her without knowing the truth that #1 he was her rapist, #2 that he has been lying to her about her having a son (who needed her), #3 that he had been lying to her about how they were going to get the baby to raise as their own, #4 their reasons for leaving town to start a new life. He may have begun to change his mind about the baby but it was AFTER he slept with Marty under false pretenses. Todd didn't want to keep remembering the rape? Too bad. He had that choice..he kept that choice from Marty by keeping the facts from her.

John and Blair started an adult relationship with each other when both believed that Marty was dead. He may have had suspicions about Marty being alive but it was not confirmed until just this week. There were no lies between them. They knew each other's backgrounds and accepted each other..period.

Jonh hasn't told Marty about much of anything. She was just rescued like 10 minute ago and then promptly got arrested. I think she is absorbing enough to start out.

There is NO excuse for what Todd has done to Marty. NONE.

Quote:Quote:Marty asked todd to sleep with her several times, todd did not want to he kept thinking about when he raped her and she kept asking him to sleep with her and he did. john has alot of nerve when he slept with blair i bet he didnt tell marty that I don't see the analogy. Marty asked Todd to sleep with her without knowing the truth that #1 he was her rapist, #2 that he has been lying to her about her having a son (who needed her), #3 that he had been lying to her about how they were going to get the baby to raise as their own, #4 their reasons for leaving town to start a new life. He may have begun to change his mind about the baby but it was AFTER he slept with Marty under false pretenses. Todd didn't want to keep remembering the rape? Too bad. He had that choice..he kept that choice from Marty by keeping the facts from her.John and Blair started an adult relationship with each other when both believed that Marty was dead. He may have had suspicions about Marty being alive but it was not confirmed until just this week. There were no lies between them. They knew each other's backgrounds and accepted each other..period. Jonh hasn't told Marty about much of anything. She was just rescued like 10 minute ago and then promptly got arrested. I think she is absorbing enough to start out.There is NO excuse for what Todd has done to Marty. NONE. Well put I couldn't have said it better. Todd took away Marty's choices and presented her with a man that he just isn't. He made her think he was a good guy when he hasn't been a good guy in years.

I THINK TODD WAS SO HORRIBLY ABUSED AS A CHILD HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO LOVE. I HOPE THE WRITERS BRING OUT THIS ASPECT OF HIS CHARACTER. HE NEEDS LOVE BUT NOT BLAIR.

Wow! Don't read all caps when you have Vertigo. Thanks for screaming your post. The storyline of Todd and his abuse has been done over and over again and yet, he's still the same screwed up person he was when he first entered the scene in Roger Howarth (spelling is off I believe) form. They "reform" him a little and then he's right back to the same hateful/abusive person he was before. Love won't change him, but 6+ months off my screen and in a mental hospital just might do it.

I just find this new "spin" on Todd and Marty really disturbing and adding to it, the fact that they're supposed to be 'in love' with each other?I know that this is a fictional soap opera storyline, but I can't suspend all common sense in order to watch it.

The whole "in love with your rapist" is just wrong with Todd and Marty. GH struck gold with Luke and Laura, but that won't happen here. Soaps have changed so much that we don't want this. We want something real like Viki and Charlie, Rex and Gigi and Roxy with anyone.

Quote:The whole "in love with your rapist" is just wrong with Todd and Marty. GH struck gold with Luke and Laura, but that won't happen here. Soaps have changed so much that we don't want this. We want something real like Viki and Charlie, Rex and Gigi and Roxy with anyone. I agree there should never ever be any storyline written where the victim is in love with the rapist, no matter how "romantic" they play it. Rape is a serious issue and a serious crime and if you spin it any other way, it gives unbelievably wrong message to the viewing audience, some of whom may be very young and very impressionable.I used to watch Days as well. As soon as they started to sell EJ at a romantic hero after he raped Samantha..and now have two woman falling all over him..I tuned out the show. If they push this too far, I will do the same thing here. It's one thing to suspend realism for a soap opera..it's entirely another to take a whole moral code and throw it in the garbage.]Luke and Laura..was another time, in another place. I don't think anyone can compare what happened almost 30 years ago to what is happening now. 30 years ago people were allowed to smoke on camera and then someone realized it was not a good idea to promote something so dangerous. I would say that rape falls into a similar category.Besides, it was never the intention of GH to make Luke and Laura a romantic couple. The intention was to have him rape her..period. But it wound up evolving differently because of the reaction of the audience to the actors involved. That is very different than planning a romantic love story from the beginning based on rape. It's just wrong. IMO.

You have stated this very well. I think in order for a story line like this to happen it needs to be well planned out for a long term result, not just for a short time. Luke and Laura is a very good example of good planning.