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mrskaz
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TPTB at AMC announced that they were going to be telling a "GROUND BREAKING" story about a same sex couple, in love, committed, raising kids, with RL issues...

Pratt pushed this story as "GROUND BREAKING" for daytime..

ER was brought back into the fold and TB was hired to protray Bianca's partner. The so-called love of Bianca's life....

They told viewers that this would be a "GROUND BREAKING" same sex love story...

So I ask..... Where is the so-called "GROUND BREAKING" love story because I'm not seeing it..

Did Pratt lie???

Did TPTB lie "Again" to the fans???

Is this just another bait & switch??

or

Are TPTB and Charles Pratt afraid to tell that story...Did they chicken out??

Do TPTB lack confidence in the writer to be able to write this story or do they lack the confidence in the actresses to sell it???

Not bashing the actresses, but something is just not right in Denmark here and I'm wondering what that is... Fear, lack of confidence, or just an outright lie to make us think they would tell one story, to get viewers to tune in, only to pull a bait and switch and give us something completely different..just another thing to get fans to tune out.

Right now, I have no idea what story they are trying to tell for Reeks.......because I'm not seeing a love story, I just don't know what I'm seeing...Bad version of Three's Company???

It could be all of the above...

My biggest problem is the ruined it from the start with the stupid sperm donation crap, but even after that debacle, they still have not given us a so -called "GROUND BREAKING" love story for a same sex couple..

Sure, they had a few scenes with Reeks making out, but nothing else...and I'm not talking about the lack of love scenes for these two, I'm talking about the lack of anything for these two..

Reese spends all her time in questionable scenes with Zach... acting like she's ready to jump on him at any given second....

Bianca.... Well, I doubt I have to explain because no one is really pleased with Bianca...

If this is supposed to be a love story for a lesbain couple, then why do they need to use a MAN to cause angst for them... Why not a woman???? Why not use RL issues to cause angst, instead of throwing in a sexy straight man for the lesbians to fight over???

THey barely share scenes together and they are not dealing with their relationship or their so-called love story..

Yes, Kendall is in a coma, Zach is losing it, Ryan is an [censored], Erica was stabbed, but even when Erica was stabbed, Reese was sniffing after Zach on the roof top,.....

Reese spends more time sniffing after Zach then she does with Bianca..... WTH is up with that...

She's not coming off as trying to be Zach's friend... She's coming off as trying to hump his leg in every scene...

Is she a lesbian?

Is she bi?

Is she a con who used Bianca to get to Zach? If that's the case, then why tell the viewers that this would be a ,GROUND BREAKING" story about a same sex couple, when one part of the couple is into a man??

This is not because of Zendall.... I still would feel the same way if they had Reese in every scene with Ryan, looking like she was ready to hump his leg in a New York Second....or Tad, or David, or any man....It just doesn't make sense...

Also, like I said above, Why use a Man to bring angst for a lesbain couple????

Whether it's the acting choices or the directors orders, it's turning me off more and more..

I know a lot of people who actually tuned in to see the "GROUND BREAKING" story play out and they've already stopped watching..

A friend of mine, who is a lesbian, in a relationship, has kids with her partner, tried to watch, but then said, "forget it. They lied... Just another plot driven mess that doesn't protray a same sex couple in the right light or good light....just a bad version of Three's Company" her opinion..

Personally, it seems to me that this shows ABC's lack of faith in this couple. Not to mention, a lack of confidence in the writer and the actresses...

ABC will NEVER have the guts to do a real lesbian romance. I don't think they have faith in either character. Reese sure isn't setting the canvas on fire with popularity, and Binks well that speaks for itself.

I think it's embarrassingly sad, pathetic, and quite laughable, not to metnion a slap in the face, again to the fans, that they have to have male give these two angst.

Hell, say what we will about Luke and Noah on ATWT, at least that show isn't sticking a female in their to give them angst.

They missed the boat big time.... Most people I talk to have no idea what story Pratt is trying to tell and are not going to tune in to see it play out because it makes no sense...

If this is a bait & switch and Pratt used the so-called "GROUND BREAKING" story about a same sex couple to draw viewers in, only to have this be anything but that, then the only thing they've accomplished is pissing viewers off more and proving once again, TPTB at AMC/ABC can't be trusted..

My heart breaks for the actors and actresses...

TK is an amazingly talented actor....

ER came back and TB signed on because it was supposed to be a GROUND BREAKING" story about a lesbian couple, but Pratt & Co aren't delivering...

Anyone else confused about the direction of this story??

Anyone else wonder if Pratt lied or if TPTB lack confidence in the writer/actresses to do justice to this story so they throw a man in and tell a completely different story then they said they would..

Sorry, if anyone is confused by my post, but I'm completely confused, disgusted, angered, and outraged.....

I keep shaking my head trying to figure out what story pratt is telling...

Anyone else feel the same way...

Where we lied too, again????? or Are they just afraid to tell the story they promised????

elaine
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I know right. I was thinking the same thing myself about Reese being a lesbian or being bi. She is in a lot of scenes with Zack and seems to have taken a liking to him. Especially when she had that Santa hat on, I thought they were going to kiss, I was like what was that all about. It's like the writers are at a loss until Kendall wakes up until they can move on with the story. Oh, and when Kendall does wake up she will be like who the hell are you (Reese) and why are up in my man's a** every time I turn around. LOL

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Quote:Hell, say what we will about Luke and Noah on ATWT, at least that show isn't sticking a female in their to give them angst.Actually, ATWT did exactly that when the show had Noah marry Ameera in a green card marriage. Luke was totally angsting, because Noah had once had a relationship with a female before getting together with Luke. As a result, ATWT caught similar flak for using an opposite-sex partner to cause that strife.

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Quote:Quote:Hell, say what we will about Luke and Noah on ATWT, at least that show isn't sticking a female in their to give them angst.Actually, ATWT did exactly that when the show had Noah marry Ameera in a green card marriage. Luke was totally angsting, because Noah had once had a relationship with a female before getting together with Luke. As a result, ATWT caught similar flak for using an opposite-sex partner to cause that strife. Thank you Joe...I have to admit, I do not watch ATWT on a regular basis, and must have missed that one...I guess this seems to be a problem across the boards..... ABC, CBS, etc..I just don't get it though..... I know there are some who have a problem with people's sexuality.... I was surprised to see some on other boards admitting that they do, not many, but there are a few, but the large majority seem ready to embrace a realistic, respectful story about a same sex couple...Unfortunately, the writers don't seem to be able to do justice to that.... They don't need a man for angst with R/B, they just have to take a look at what is going on IRL and use that... Why they don't boggles the mind....but then again, shock, sensationalism, and plot devices seem to be the norm for daytime, instead of writting great stories...

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I was initially excited with what AMC "claimed" to be planning for the Bianca/Reese storyline. Love both of these Lady's, great actors & AMC really had a chance to showcase 2 of the best that've ever worked on daytime & give us a realistic & well written story.Even a little like the old AMC, stirring up controversy again, maybe, gasp, even getting the ratings up, those who approved would turn in, viewers who didn't would watch just to gripe about it, but people would have been watching.Now just a few weeks into it, I sense that Reese, is using Bianca, to somehow get to Zach or his company, his money, etc. I like the Binks character, even if she marches to her own drummer, she's probably the most centered & loving person on that soap. They created a wonderful personality for a ground breaking character.I don't know if fear of losing sponsor's may be causing the hesitation in going forward with what could be a great story, but it's like a huge U-Turn was done in mid-stream. So now what? We wait to find out Reese is after Zach? Watch Bianca once again have her heart smashed? Instead of witnessing 2 adults, in love w/each other, doing their best to lead happy productive lives while raising that baby girl.Instead as usual, AMC has been standing for Annie's Mental Crisis & I'm so over caring anything about that character, even stabbing Erica didn't make me bat an eye. A positive story involving Bianca will include some of the best personalities on AMC, Erica, Jack, Kendall, Zach, Geenlee, Adam, etc. I say go for it. If the end of soaps is approaching, then allow AMC to go out on a high note. Great talent brought in for an incredible storyline is being taken off track & moved into different direction then most of us anticipated. Have the guts to go for it. We the loyal fans (since day 1 in my case) deserve being about to tout AMC as that rebel, ground breaking storyline, skip class to watch, soap it once was & very easily could be again.End of todays rant.

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I have to agree and disagree on some points landilou.I do agree that this storyline seems to have taken a different direction than initally anticipated. I cannot tell what we are seeing is what was planned. There had been an interview with Eden Riegal in which she stated something to the effect that she would become Zach's confidante..they were kindred spirits. That I believe was supposed to happen during November. Here it is December and nada. She and Reese were supposed to be starcrossed lovers. I haven't seen any of that happen either. What I do see is an obnoxious parasite in Reese who is always in the same scenes with Zach. She 's ubiquitous and annoying. She comes to town, only knows Bianca, and now she is designing and rebuilding the town, gets in everyone's face at Fusion, and just happens to come down the stairs when Zach probably should be left alone. Why are she and Bianca still at the Slater's anyway? She's everywhere except with Bianca.Is Pratt copping out on the same sex love story? I don't think so. Maybe whatever we are seeing, which is horrible by the way, is something that was done quickly in response to the very poor reception his babygate storyline has gotten. Maybe he is setting something else up here. He made Zach the biological daddy of the baby which by now I am sure he is aware hasn't gone over at all, so maybe he's regrouping. However, to have there be anything at all between Zach and Reese would just compound the repulsiveness of what he has already written. What is going on probably will cause some angst for Bianca and Reese but I hate that they are using Zach instead of the many social issues that they should be facing such as the biased minister which was as usual for Pratt, just a plot point. I had high hopes for this storyline. In light of the success of General Hospital NS 2, and the gay storyline that was written for that , I truly thought that Frons and Pratt would come through with this. Too bad Frons didn't hire Sri Rao for AMC. He wrote character driven storylines.Here's where we disagree, Bianca is not centered, she's self centered and she's loving only if she gets what she wants. This storyline has ruined Bianca. I hope Pratt is looking to fix what he has destroyed. Maybe if he wrote what made sense we wouldn't be seeing this interminable Annie storyline. It should have ended months ago. Again another eff' ed up return and waste of a great talent such as TK who is not necessary to this storyline.

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Cararn......Another great, insightful post..... You're so much better expression your feelings about this then I am....I especially agree with this part: Quote: Here's where we disagree, Bianca is not centered, she's self centered and she's loving only if she gets what she wants. This storyline has ruined Bianca. I hope Pratt is looking to fix what he has destroyed. Maybe if he wrote what made sense we wouldn't be seeing this interminable Annie storyline. It should have ended months ago. Again another eff' ed up return and waste of a great talent such as TK who is not necessary to this storyline. This story has ruined Bianca beyond repair.... JMHO...I also would like to add the missed opportunities for showing some great flashbacks of Zach/Kendall... The scene with Zach on the Fusion rooftop would have been heartwrenching and amazing, had they shown Zach standing there and flashback to Zen on the rooftop of Fusion.Instead we get Reese showing up.....wasted opp.. Wait, I forget, she's supposed to be his new BFF, only we didn't see that happen, it happened off screen after one meeting in Paris..Another is when Zach was sitting by the fireplace alone after finding out that Kendall may die.... They could have shown a flashback of Zen by the fire place... but no, once again we get Reese....intruding on a private moment where she doesn't belong...Sorry, but I'm resentful towards that... With AM on her honeymoon, Kendall in a coma, some loving Zendall flashbacks would be appreicated and appropriate for those scenes, but they are wasted on propping Reese in this story and for the life of me, I just can't figure out why..I have no clue where Pratt is going with this, but he needs to just stop.... The story is a flop, has been since before Bianca returned.... ruined by the sperm donation and now by the lack of Bianca/Reese interaction...All across the boards the hatred for Bianca is at an all time high... Never before was she hated... Disliked, yes when she was propping the Babe is Love crap, but this story has made her hated..All across the boards, fans are confused by Reese... They is no real fan support of her due to the story Pratt is not telling... I just wish Pratt would step up, admit he screwed up, and fix it, the right way... Although, I can't imagine who this can be fixed...Focus on the supposed "GROUND BREAKING" story about Reese/Bianca and turn the baby mess into a nightmare of Kendall's.... Anything, but what he is doing now...If they need angst for Reeks, give it to them, with a woman, with RL issues, anything but take the man out of the equation...I forgot about GHNS..... I didn't watch it much, but was told the writer did an excellent job across the board on that one..Why is it Frons can't find a decent writer for AMC.... He's failed 3 times now.... IMHO, Pratt is a failure... He's writting stories without first finding out who these characters are...He's telling viewers one thing, then not doing what he said he was going to do...Maybe someone needs to send him Doug Marland's rules on how not to kill a soap...."Don't Change a Core Character" or something like that.."When the fans say a character would never do that, you've failed"..... and fans are saying Bianca and Zach would never do this..."Listen to the actors and the fans, what you may think is great, they may not"..Not his exact words, but close...The writers for ABC daytime need to take a step back... Read DM rules, and start from stratch.... Especially Pratt...

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I agree that Bianca is now self-centered.But once upon a time, Binks stayed the course, stood up to her Mom & went her own direction. She was very focused & centered on her self worth, proceeded to live her life in the manner that made her happy & was a well written character.Now, who's this chick that would have a baby Fathered by her "beloved" sister's hubby? Without telling her what was transpiring? The Bianca I liked would've told Kendall, wouldn't be keeping all these secrets, particularly from her family. Probably would've even involved Kendall in the decision making process before it went any further.This is one thing about the current storyline I detest. I wish that well liked characters weren't destroyed & changed into something that is sometimes totally unredeemable & I fear this is what's happening.I do feel the Reese/Bianca storyline was, for whatever reason, changed in mid-stream. It could've been an eye opening, trendsetting milestone in soap history. Instead we have Reese cozing up to Zach. Since when has Zach ever had BFF? For Reese to slip into that spot in the wink of an eye just isn't believable to me.

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I agree. Zach has always been mysterious and we never knew a lot about him. Now suddenly he seems to be all wrapped up with Bianca's "love interest"? What's the deal? When I heard that Tamara was going to be Reese in this storyline, I thought, "How are people going to get past the "nympho" she played on another soap? but she just doesn't seem to have any feelings at all for Bianca, who she is supposed to be marrying? Very dissapointing..This storyline should have been an eye opener..not a snore....

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Binks is Erica Kanes daughter . Enough said

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There's no doubt that the storyline has changed course. I'm a Zendall fan and I don't like seeing Reese and Zach share so much time together, especially when his wife is dying, but even if I didn't care about the Slaters one way or the other, I can't believe the egg on AMC's face for promoting this storyline in magazine article after magazine article as groundbreaking and new. It's same old, same old to me. I've seen Zach bond with other women, and the result is always the same. They lose out to Kendall on the show and the audience dislikes their character more than ever. I can't believe that's what AMC wants to do with Reese, but it seems that's where they're going. Good luck with that, AMC.

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What was Bianca's story is now Reese's. Way to go AMC, turn off even more fans by having a newbie-one who doesn't seem to be doing much for viewers-highjacking Bianca's storyline, way to turn off even more viewers.I think they don't have the guts to commit to this storyline, so Pratt wants to pimp out his pet TB at the expense of Bianca/Kendall/Zach/Zendall. Quote: I've seen Zach bond with other women, and the result is always the same. They lose out to Kendall on the show and the audience dislikes their character more than ever. I can't believe that's what AMC wants to do with Reese, but it seems that's where they're going. Good luck with that, AMC. LOL my guess is Pratt feels TB is popular enough to weather this. Yeah people thought the same about Dixie.........I don't get why they keep doing the same stupid things over and over and never learning from them. That actually goes beyond stupidity.

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I vote for chickening out on the storyline AND the network and AMC not having enough confidence in their two actresses to pull it off so they drop poor Thorsten Kaye in the middle of it. Because really, both Bianca and Reese spend way too much time up in Zach's business in more ways than one. Where's the development in Bianca and Reese's relationship? They've been on over a month and all we've gotten are, "Remember that time in Venice..."Well no, I don't. So show me something to make me believe these two are indeed in love and don't make it appear Reese is panting after Zach. And what's up with Bianca suddenly having doubts about Reese since she's never witnessed any of the aforementioned panting? Bianca has doubts about Reese's love, but yet she decided it would be great to have a child with Reese 10 minutes after she met her? Bring an innocent baby into an uncertain family life like that? Yeesh.

 

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