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Quote:Hi, all. This is your friendly neighborhood mod and admin, stepping in to remind everyone of a few things:1. Do not create multiple threads to hash out the same issues over and over.2. Do not
Mala, fans are angry with the remarks coming from the executives and writers and actresses of AMC.Their words are not retracted or deleted but ours are.Why? We are 100% behind the very hard working actors who have been on this show far longer than Pratt and any newcomer he has backed. As for frustration with the show's direction, that's another subject. This is about the irresponsible and arrogant remarks of the headwriter and his latest acquisition.This is a very tenuous time for daytime serials. Guiding Light was cancelled, I would think this would be a signal to the executives and writers to woo the 'customers', me, instead of making incendiary remarks about the fans thinking abilities as Julie Hanan Carruthers did and the insulting remarks Pratt made about the AMC cast. They are allowed to make statements and make insults about fans but we aren't allowed to refute those remarks? This is a public forum. My post got deleted. I believe that is censorship. Your profession abides by the first amendment does it not? If Misters Pratt, Frons and the Ms. Luner and Carruthers are offended let them come here and defend their words.Read the article Mala, then read the comments below it.
I didn't see what was posted in the original thread, but I know the article that is causing so much stir. Viewers are angry over it and I guess expressing sheer frustration over what is happening at AMC and no one seems to really care. After reading that ariticle, I have to admit I'm angry and feel very badly for the AMC staff that Pratt refers to as high schoolers, etc. AMC has a stellar cast (that I also understand get along very well and are team players) and do not deserve what was said in that article, plus it doesn't sound like that JL is a team player so hopefully her and Pratt don't damage the Team too much! If Pratt would just write good, compelling, in character stories that make sense then maybe AMC would stand a chance. I'm so tired of the doom and gloom on this show. I sincerely hope that SOD/SOW will interview Pratt and call him out on his opinions in print, especially for his lack of respect for the current cast. I don't need nuLiza on my screeen -- just write some good stories for the current cast and balance out the show. I don't think that is a lot to ask for!
I am sick and on Nyquil, so I hope this comes out right. IMO, the people at SOD and SOW, defend the writer's and actors because of business. If they offend these people, they will be put out of business. The writers and actors will not talk to them, grant them interviews and give them thumbs up on storylines. It is all about money and the perks. I personally would not want to work for someone when kissing butt is part of the job, but that is just me. A public forum and a public magazine should not be biased in any way, but that is not the ways it works. At least not here. I have been treading for weeks afraid to make you all mad again, but I just don't care anymore. The ONE single reason I joined SOD online was to find people who are as frustrated as I am with their soaps, (GH & B&B for me)as I am. also to enjoy the good things about them (as few and far inbetween as they are, and be able to gripe and rejoice about it. I guess I should look elsewhere, because you really cannot do that here. The writers disrespect US on a daily basis, by their crappy writing. Why can't I do the same with my crappy writing? Anyway like I said I guess SOD will never bites the hand that partially feeds them. I guess they forget that WE the public also pay their salary's by buying their magazine. OK, now back to bed before the start of DWTS, which reminds me, at TVguide you can say what you feel without the constant threat of being kicked off! !
You know what, after going back and reading that interveiw again, and coming back here, I wish I could edit my post to take back my apology...I'm not sorry...... I'm not sorry for standing up for the talented cast at AMCI'm not sorry for calling Pratt, Carruthers, or Lunar out on their insulting, arrogant, disrespectful comments...What I am sorry about is this...I liked this board...I liked the idea of coming here, discussing the show, and finding out what the editiors of SOD/SOW felt.....even if you all had a different take on things...I enjoyed seeing a different side...Pratt/JHC are using the press to slam the amazingly talented actors/actresses and the very fans that tune in...What outlet do we have to fight back...I see no one in the press calling Pratt or JHC out on their disgusting, disrespectful comments...We know that the actors/actresses can't speak out.... if they do they could lose thier jobs...Hell, WW spoke out and he's been on backburner status since then..... Jerica was ripped to shreds and Jack Montgomery is hardly ever seen.Charles Pratt disrespected the entire cast.....all the while pimping his latest obsession.....and fans are speaking out..Not just Zen fans, Zach fans, Kendall fans, but fans across the board...I get actor bashing and I do think it's wrong.....PRatt, Carruthers are a different story...If they can attack the fans, the actors/actresses, the we the fans should be allow to speak out against that...stand up for ourselves and our beloved actors/actresses...If you are going to ban me for that, well, that is your right...Our voices will be heard one way or another.... If not with SOD/SOW, then with someone else...Anne Sweeney is about to get bombarded with letters from angry, outraged fans and so will all of the higher ups with the exception of Brian Frons who seems to have the same sexist, dismissive, arrogant attitude as Pratt/Guza...This board was a nice play to come discuss, vent, and get other opinions, but if our opinions are going to be censored.... if we are not going to be allowed to call TPTB out on their blatant disrespect, then I guess we will find another way to do that....I implore the editors of SOD/SOW to read the disrespectful interview and call out Pratt/Carruthers for their disrespect of the amazing cast who give interviews in your mags every week....They work hard and deserve respect....and not just from their fans...I'm angry and outraged with Pratt, Carruthers, Frons...... and I'm not alone..... The large majority of viewers are disgusting right now.....Pratt's version of AMC is destroying this once classy soap..... He's destroying it and remaking it into a cheap, sleazy version of MP......with his favs front & center....and that isn't an AMC I want to watch.
I am just curious but.. where IS this article?
The First Amendment doesn't actually apply to the Internet -- for multiple reasons. Two of which include that it isn't solely an American space and that technically this isn't a "public" forum. It's owned by SOD/SOW and therefore subject to our discretion. No one is saying you can't discuss the show and vent. We're saying that calling people idiots left and right and making up nicknames for actors is against our rules. Enforcing our guidelines has nothing to do with SOW/SOD purportedly biting the hand that feeds us or kissing butts, etc. If the head writer of AMC was posting here using the same kind of language, I'd edit, delete, and warn him, too.Thanks.
Quote:The First Amendment doesn't actually apply to the Internet -- for multiple reasons. Two of which include that it isn't solely an American space and that technically this isn't a "public" forum. It's owned by SOD/SOW and therefore subject to our discretion. No one is saying you can't discuss the show and vent. We're saying that calling people idiots left and right and making up nicknames for actors is against our rules. Enforcing our guidelines has nothing to do with SOW/SOD purportedly biting the hand that feeds us or kissing butts, etc. If the head writer of AMC was posting here using the same kind of language, I'd edit, delete, and warn him, too.Thanks. Thank you. I don't feel safe posting anymore. If you disagree with any of them you are made to feel like an jerk and if you post about anything it is turned into a Ryan bashing or head writing bashing. I understand that people want to vent but please let's not make everything about that.
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Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found?
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I feel the way you do. Not so much about Kendall & Zach, who I love, but the whole show. You can't watch something for 35 years & not become attached. Even when I don't like the show, which is a lot right now, I still turn ot on. I do that in support for the charactors I don't even see anymore or not much. Joe, Erica, Tad, Jessie, Angie, Adam, Stuart....I like everyone on this show in some way. I can always find good, or remember something good. My biggest problem is the history or re-writing it. I don't like it & I feel like as a very long time viewer the Head writer or the powers that be at ABC, must think I'm dumb. I do remember & I can't be fooled into something not believeable.
Quote:Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found? It was this Charles Pratt quote that bothered me the most:
Quote:Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found? I too just read the article & I too don't get it! When the cast was referred to as like "high schoolers" I just assumed theywere referring to the sprit of the atmosphere, not that theywere like children?!? My only complaint is that Ms. Luner is way to young to play Liza. I understand the Ms. Walker will never be coming back but I'm sure that are a lot of talented actresses in the right agebracket that could have played this part just as well! Older actresses need work too!
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found? It was this Charles Pratt quote that bothered me the most:
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found? It was this Charles Pratt quote that bothered me the most:
That's an interesting perspective, Birdie, considering most of the soap actors I've talked to refer to working on a soap as akin to going to high school.This is the last time I'm checking the thread for the night. Please keep any "vigorous discussions" within our guidelines. Thanks.
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:I am just curious but.. where IS this article? at tvguidemagazine.com ok....I read the article..and truly didnt see anything that was to the magnitude of what is being written in this forum...I saw nothing negative written about any cast or crew...some one care to enlighten me as to what i missed?and then SHOW me where that informatuion can be found? It was this Charles Pratt quote that bothered me the most:
This whole thing depends on a the perspective a person reads the article. It is like reading an email. I sent an email to a friend and in my head it was nice and she read it as I was mad. If you come from a negative place than you will put a negative spin on the article. If you read the article for what it is, it is fine. But if you read it from a place of anger. I personally don't find anything wrong with what he said but I am not mad. I think he was being funny and people aren't taking it that way. I think it is a shame about Jamie because she said nothing wrong either. Thought she was respectful. Sorry.
Quote:This whole thing depends on a the perspective a person reads the article. It is like reading an email. I sent an email to a friend and in my head it was nice and she read it as I was mad. If you come from a negative place than you will put a negative spin on the article. If you read the article for what it is, it is fine. But if you read it from a place of anger. I personally don't find anything wrong with what he said but I am not mad. I think he was being funny and people aren't taking it that way. I think it is a shame about Jamie because she said nothing wrong either. Thought she was respectful. Sorry. I too, took her to be respectful...she is walking into a ticking time bomb, and sadly i feel it is the viewers igniting its fuse.....Give her a chance..while we certainly dont agree on the age thing..ok..ok...so we dont, but the deal is done, she IS going to take the role, so lets see what SHE does with it...MARCY WALKER chose not to return, so lets move PAST THE MARCY WALKER ASPECT IN THIS ( ALTHOUGH I LOVE MARCY WALKER).....and allow her the chance to show her stuff.........you might be surprised.........
Quote:That's an interesting perspective, Birdie, considering most of the soap actors I've talked to refer to working on a soap as akin to going to high school.This is the last time I'm checking the thread for the night. Please keep any "vigorous discussions" within our guidelines. Thanks. Joe, The article angered many people and they all took it the same way . Were they swayed by one another ? was there poor syntax in the article that made it read differently than was intended? Perhaps to both questions, but the TONE of the article was condescending and arrogant from someone that should be neutral . If the head writer was excited about his newest aquisition and he was trying to introduce her to the viewers, he went about it in an unprofessional manner. If you feel there is a clique, and there's chaos behind the scenes the last thing you do is diss that in a public interview, or even mention it. Most professionals would take aside the guilty parties, if there are any, in private and discuss it; then hold a general staff meeting to discuss the problem in general terms without pointing fingers. You don't inroduce a new employee and tell the world she's going to show them a thing or two because she's not an a** kisser. Which means what? She's not going to play nice in the schoolyard with the rest of the kids to be accepted? She going to do what she's told without question? What? Don't buck the system , what? Isn't doing what you are told without question an a#* kisser? The fans are indeed frustrated with the direction of the show; the inconsistency, the revisionist writing, the disregard for show history and character integrity which have fans at their wit's end with this show. Add to that an article that is perceived as arrogant and insulting and unprofessional , and you have an inflammatory situation.The fans were angry about this recast from a lot different aspects from day one..... one is the paycuts the actors took ;then they hired not one but three different actors in a month's time when there are cast members not being used. Then it's stated that the recasted character isn't even going to resemble the original. Why recast at all at the expense, literally, of the rest of the actors who are not being used? I can understand how difficult it must be to write something different every week for the same people so there does need to be an infusion of new blood to keep things fresh, but when that happens on the heels of pay cuts and is done with so little finesse and professionalism you don't think it would anger the fans or the actors? It's the 'Real Greenlee" campaign all over again.At this time soaps are in a precarious position, all of them. The economic downturn has affected ALL professions. I'm in the nursing field, my other family members are in education, both secondary and college level. We have all taken pay cuts. Yes, hospitals in my area have issued pay cuts,closed departments and there are hiring freezes on. No one is being hired on. Positions are frozen or are done away with. They are making do with what we have. The faculty at the college in which my family member teaches has taken a voluntary paycut so that positions are not done away with. Fiscal responsibility! No one is fired, but no one is hired on either for now and...none of the administrators in either profession are giving arrogant interviews.The cast of AMC, for the last six months under this writing regime has endured some of the most disrespectful and destructive writing, so have the fans, and the last thing they need is to have their headwriter insult them in print. Considering the shape the soaps are in today, don't you think the writers, producers and other executives should be courting me the viewer, instead of giving incendairy interviews?
Quote:Joe, The article angered many people and they all took it the same way . Were they swayed by one another ? was there poor syntax in the article that made it read differently than was intended? Perhaps to both questions, but the TONE of the article was condescending and arrogant from someone that should be neutral I'm afraid I agree with mkv0463's suggestion that one takes away from the piece what one brings to it. If someone expects arrogance, they're going to see arrogance. Even a phrase like "He's a good actor" can be interpreted negatively: Good? Why not great? Depends on perspective. And Mala is right about actors likening the shows to high school. I find they either refer to their casts as a "family" or "high school." (Now watch, somebody will decide that family is positive and high school negative. But what about dysfunctional families?) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to stop by Mala's locker and see if she has the geometry homework...
Quote:Quote:Joe, The article angered many people and they all took it the same way . Were they swayed by one another ? was there poor syntax in the article that made it read differently than was intended? Perhaps to both questions, but the TONE of the article was condescending and arrogant from someone that should be neutral I'm afraid I agree with mkv0463's suggestion that one takes away from the piece what one brings to it. If someone expects arrogance, they're going to see arrogance. Even a phrase like "He's a good actor" can be interpreted negatively: Good? Why not great? Depends on perspective. And Mala is right about actors likening the shows to high school. I find they either refer to their casts as a "family" or "high school." (Now watch, somebody will decide that family is positive and high school negative. But what about dysfunctional families?) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to stop by Mala's locker and see if she has the geometry homework... waaaaa haaaaaa I SO AGREE.....PEOPLE take from it what They wanna take from it.. perception is a bi**h isn't she?
Quote:Quote:Joe, The article angered many people and they all took it the same way . Were they swayed by one another ? was there poor syntax in the article that made it read differently than was intended? Perhaps to both questions, but the TONE of the article was condescending and arrogant from someone that should be neutral I'm afraid I agree with mkv0463's suggestion that one takes away from the piece what one brings to it. If someone expects arrogance, they're going to see arrogance. Even a phrase like "He's a good actor" can be interpreted negatively: Good? Why not great? Depends on perspective. And Mala is right about actors likening the shows to high school. I find they either refer to their casts as a "family" or "high school." (Now watch, somebody will decide that family is positive and high school negative. But what about dysfunctional families?) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to stop by Mala's locker and see if she has the geometry homework... Well then doesn't that signal something that a LOT of people took those comments that way? I'm not just talking about a particular fanbase. You speak to other people who are say DC, SL, MEK, DW, DM fans, they were offended by those comments too.It speaks to the perception then that Charles Pratt and current regime at AMC has given to a large part of the viewers and if it's that negative, then it does not bode well for Mr. Pratt and the show. Couple this with Ms. Carruthers remarks a few months back regarding how the audience was "re-writing" things, then I think the very negative perspective people have of Mr. Pratt and executives connected with AMC is justified.And Mala, actors may have said "high school" to you but did they say it in print? I don't know. I don't recall off-hand any AMC actor making that comment and I certainly don't know if actors from other soaps have said that either. It's one thing to speak off the record or say something like that to someone if you didn't think it was going to be published, quite another to be quoted in an interview.
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I'm afraid I agree with mkv0463's suggestion that one takes away from the piece what one brings to it. If someone expects arrogance, they're going to see arrogance.
I have no fault with you guys at SOD. You have always been open to all sorts of posts and have even printed a number of my letters in your magazines over the years. I love that Mara L published what many of were thinking about some of this. I know in many ways you are on our side. And I truly thank you for that. But it's not so simple.
This is the first time I have posted about this topic, either in this thread or the one that was deleted earlier. I understand what you are saying and I appreciate it. You are right, if you expect arrogance, you see it. But from what I have seen over the last months, if my feelings are colored or biased, don't look to me as the cause.
I am not a machine, I don't read interviews in a vacuum and whatever mood I am in has been cultivated by what I have seen on my screen and read over the last months.
Let's see..besides barely recognizing half the characters on the show right now as ones I have come to love over the years, being asked to watch plots that have no basis in history or truth, and hearing characters say lines that are blantantly NOT true based on everything that came before, I read these items..
We first we told by JHC, exc producer... in print in a magazine article... that what we the viewers were seeing on TV...was not really there. In reference to the ground breaking lesbian storyline with Bianca and Reese, viewers were just imagining any meaningful sexual tension written between Zach and Reese. We were just putting our own personal feelings into the scripts, when they were not there. And two minutes later, Zach and Reese were kissing and became the chief plot point in Greenlee's death. I don't appreciate being made a fool of in general, I like it even less in print. Even Tamara Braun said in a number of mags this was not what she was expecting when she signed on.
Next, I read an interview when Brian Frons is addressing the viewers who have boycotted..or decided not to watch..or whatever you want to call viewers who are disenchanted with AMC at the moment. He says..I wish I had the exact quote..but basically he says if I am not watching the show right now, I am not a loyal viewer so why should he worry about my feelings. There was no gray area in these comments..none.
My answer is that I have been a loyal viewer for more years than Pratt and Frons have been at AMC together. And you know what..I have been there because I WANTED to be there...not because I am being PAID to be there.. So if people are not happy with the scripts of today and are not interested to watch, it's MY fault?
So yes, I read the current interview where Pratt makes various comments, perhaps he meant them in an innocent vein and I am reading into them. Perhaps yes... perhaps no. I just read his TV guide interview where he states that in HIS poll, there was a 50-50 pull for Zendall vs Rendall. Considering that your magazine published a similar poll with over 90% in favor or Zendall at the exact same time, the same numbers that have ALWAYS been posted since forever..and I gotta say, I am leary about anything that comes out of Pratt right now.
Am I being fair? I don't know..but it's how I feel and it's how too many people feel...and if that many people feel that way, there is something wrong. You know the old expression.." the customer is always right". Someone should remember that at AMC. I don't mean to insinuate that the customer IS always right but there is something to be said for making us think we are, that at least we are on the same side...all together in our love for AMC.
But TPTB at AMC have set a tone of being adversaries..it's them against us. I think this is a bad move for any business...and the end result is the viewers are now suspicious about whatever is put out there. And whether or not my opinion about what Pratt said was right or wrong, my "arrogance" or "bias" came from somewhere...and it did not start with me.
Thank you very much for having this forum where I can express my opinion.
It boils down to trust. Charles Pratt, Julie Hanan Carruthers and Brian Frons have in no way given the audience any reason to trust whatever they say. At some point or another, EACH of these people has said something that has either been insulting to the audience/fans OR they've been caught in something that makes someone question their honesty in some way. So while maybe Charles Pratt was trying to make a light-hearted comment with that "high school" remark, he has set up such a toxic relationship with so many of the AMC viewers that he will not be given the benefit of the doubt.All of that is very damaging to a show in a genre that is already struggling for survival.
KathyNYC -- you are my heroine today! ITA with your post and you expressed how I feel as well.
Kathy, great post...ITA....
Kathy, there is nothing left to say, you have said it all. Thank you!
Thank you Kathy for your excellent post! I hope someone is reading and listening to our concerns!
I agree Birdie. For me, I don't trust the individuals who are chaged with producing AMC - Frons, Pratt, Carruthers, none of them have given me a reason to believe they actually care about the product they are producing or that they pay attention to their viewers - who are their customers.Fans are upset for good reason. At what point does it change? Does someone over there take a stand and clean house? At what point does someone go back to the original AMC bible and say, what have we done with this show and these beloved characters?AMC is a viable show - one that is full of heart and characters viewers still care about. There are a few I could personally do without and feel the show would be better for it...but in all honesty, what is it going to take?
Ok. I just learned what the problem was with the lesbian storyline with Bianca and Reese. Charles Pratt in his latest TV guide interview with Michael Logan blames Eden Riegel.
It seems that Pratt didn't realize she had signed on for only four months, he expected her to be there two years..but poof, she wanted to go back home to CA for pilot seaon.
Does anyone talk to anyone at AMC..hell even I knew she was only there for four months, and I don't even work there!! Pratt should read the message boards more often..maybe he would learn something. So it was not bad enough that he trashed Bianca, now he is talking about Eden as the cause for his failures..
So THAT's the reason the storyline didn't work? It had nothing to do with the fact that it was supposed to be a ground breaking lesbian storyline but instead it had one of the partners panting over a male instead? It had nothing to do with the basic premise that Bianca going behind her sister's back with her sister's jusband for a sperm was just a bogus idea to begin with and started the whole storyline on a false note? It had nothing to do with the continuity of the characters changing from one day to the next..I am not interested in Zach, I am a lesbian, I am confused, I am gay, I am not sure, I am nauseous about this whole mess?
And then he goes on to say that he couldn't keep Tamara around after Eden leaves because "keeping her on the show as an angry lesbian
Kathy, I'm right with you. I'm supposed to trust Charles Pratt and what he says? It's me with the "problem" when he's so blatantly shifting the blame onto an actress for a failed storyline? Does anyone notice that Pratt just completely contradicted what Julie Hanan Carruthers said a few months ago in her Advocate interview when she accused the audience of "re-writing" things since Pratt wanted to have an angry lesbian who becomes bisexual?AMC has become a joke because of the people in charge. Pratt's excuses for his failures are as poorly conceived and delivered as his so-called storylines.
Kathy, Birdie the problem with Pratt's latest excuse is that when ER/TB first arrived on the show, he was asked, in print, by someone, maybe SOD/SOW???? if it was hard to write for short term characters and he said "No, it was actually easy"...Now, he changes his tune because the story failed...Blaming ER contract status and saying he didn't know how long it was, then adding the comment about pilot season, IMHO was a dig...I'm sorry, but how can Pratt still have his job.... Why he is allowed to disrespect the amazing cast and blame the actresses for his failures... then expect all of us to believe a word he says and to embrace and accept his new hires.I stopped watching his crap on March 2, started again this week to see the Zen/Ian stuff, but tuned out on Fri again.People are outraged.....across the board...but Pratt continues to insult and destory.Both ER/TB have spoken out and said that the story they were given once the signed on the dotted line was not the story they signed on for.ER/TB had the integrity to stand up to Pratt and now he's getting back at them for it.I'm sick of him..... Sick of his destructive writing... Sick of his treatment of the cast and the fans...Frons/Pratt/Guza all need to go..Everyone is calling Pratt out, but TPTB at ABC/AMC continue to sit back and do nothing...Fans need to take a stand.... a big one... Charles Pratt has once again Lied in print and disrespected yet another cast member..enough is enough....
Finally Mr. Pratt is being called out on writing, his disrespect for the cast and their characters, and the disregard for the history of a show. But his only defense has been questionable and twisted anwsers and remarks to explain the mess he made of this show. He will not admit, 'I made mistakes'. He needs to own up to the fact he and his keyboard are the problems here not actresses' length of stay or any other lame excuses he makes for his incompentency as a writer. Fans did not read anything into the storylines that wasn't already there. They called him out on the character destruction and every single one of his storylines have failed.It's time to remove him before more damage is done, or AMC going to go the way GL did last week.They cannot afford Mr. Pratt any longer.
I guess someone finally spoke to him..sort of. In Linda Hirsch's soap column in the National Ledger, Pratt is quoted again. It's the 4/26/09 edition....
"All My Children's" head writer, Charles Pratt Jr., says his May sweeps will really show what he has been working toward since replacing Megan McTavish. "When you take over a soap," explains Pratt, "you just cannot dump every story line. There were plots that needed to be wrapped up. Some plots needed to be advanced. This May, I take all credit and blame for what will be on screen."....... Just be sure to tune in to "AMC" in May. It will be like watching a whole new soap but with it going back to basics.
I don't remember Pratt replacing McTavish..he replaced B& E..but who's counting. But I don't know who made that comment..the interviewer or the interviewee...regardless, someone should get their facts right.
So let's see, In May he will take all the credit and blame...meaning what came before was the fault of previous writers? He takes no responsibility for what came before? So let's see, it's been the fault of the fans, those high school actors, Eden Riegel personally and now it's the previous writers.
He was forced to write the previous storylines because of what others had started?
You mean like creating a false feud between Zach and Josh?
Using Kendall's anger at Zach at what he did with his sperm donation behind her back as an excuse to push a relationship with Ryan that has been dead for years?
Having Bianca not tell her sister that she planned to use Zach's sperm {something that the Bianca and Zach that were previously written would NEVER ever have done) was in the mind of previous writers?
Ryan supposedly loves his daughter but pulls a gun on Annie - who he once promised to love in sickness and health... and tells her he wants her to spend years in prison? Wouldn't you want the mother of your child to get well? Emma was already home safe? The gun was appalling.
You mean promising a ground breaking lesbian storyling, lying about it and instead using it to help break up their most popular couple, which has been one of the few consistent things that has worked in the last year?
Personally, I don't remember any previous writer pushing these plots..so I don't know what storylines he is "wrapping up". I can't think of one "wrapped up" plot from before. I would like to guess where Pratt's wrpped up plots came from but I am going to be polite and leave it at that.
Am I looking at this with jaded eyes? Yes I am. A whole new soap? Sadly, I loved the old one... I don't even recognize this one. I have no idea what "back to basic's means..but just for the record, seeing someone's panties is not going to do it for me.
For a long time (way too long, IMO), I've had the impression that if Mr. Pratt had a storyline idea, ABC gave him carte blanche to go to town and write what he wanted. It's why Bianca and Zach had a child together without telling Kendall, why Jesse had another wife and child out there, why Jerica was dumped so that a funny and friendly, but sexless couple like Adam and Erica could spend time together, why David could drug Krystal and she'd like it and they'd become a couple to root for (???), etc. Maybe now we're hearing that Mr. Pratt can't run roughshod over JnA, Zendall, Jerica and write any old thing that pops into his head. Maybe now ABC will realize that the damage done to Bianca and ER, to TB, to AM, to DW, to TK--IOW, to longtime and loyal ABC employees--cannot go unchecked. Mr. Pratt is clearly capable of writing drivel for alot of characters and actors. Let's stop pretending that just because he has primetime cred, he is not capable of mistakes. I've lost tally, but his storyline blunders are far surpassing a Brot Monroe story or a Jake/Amanda romance, his only two decent stories (IMO). Ironically, I'm now tiring of Brot the War Vet because he has nothing else going for him, and Jamanda seem like a reluctant pairing when Taylor/Jake and JR/Amanda didn't work out. Back to the point--if this quote about "credit and blame" means Pratt's feet will be held to the fire--finally!--I'm all in favor of it. Maybe now he'll be able to own that he broke up Zendall for no good reason, and right that wrong ASAP.
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Maybe now he'll be able to own that he broke up Zendall for no good reason, and right that wrong ASAP.
I agree with your entire post Gator. But your last line to me is just totally depressing because while Pratt can certainly correct his storyline choices and reunite Zendall at some point with a decent storyline to back it up...he will never be able to "FIX" what he did to them...
...and that was to take away their uniqueness and turn them just like every other run of the mill soap opera couple..with mixed partners and musical beds, spouting words and promises that wind up meaning nothing, when indeed they meant everything.
The absolute special element of what Zendall stood for can be mended certainly and I look forward to seeing it happen..but I don't think one can actually FIX all the damage done to them and to so many other characters as well. Bianca was never my favorite character but it's a sad state to be in when I am cringing the thought of her coming back on my screen for this week. I am only glad because it allows Reese, another shambles of a Pratt character, to leave PV. That's what Pratt has done for me.
I don't know if the term.."righting (writing!!) the wrong" is possible. You can mend something that it broken and make it work again but it's never going to have the strength of the original ever again. TK and AM wlll create new magic - I am sure they will but it's just a loss that can't be forgotten.
And that just makes me both incredibly sad and incredibly angry.
Actually, Mr. Pratt, in his mind, had a very good reason to break up Zendall: he wanted to promote his female pets at the expense of Alicia Minshew and by using Thorsten Kaye.Who did Mr. Pratt fawn over when he first came on board? Melissa Claire Egan. So what happens? Kendall goes in an berates Annie in her hospital bed right before she miscarries. This was the start of launching MCE into he big storyline arc.What happened prior to Tamara Braun, an actress Mr. Pratt said he pursued for the show, coming on board? Meddling by Kendall.And what happens now before Jamie Luner comes to the show? Kendall sleeps with Ryan and EVERYONE blames the break up of the Slaters' marriage no her, conveniently forgetting the Spawn Zach created with Bianca.Mr. Pratt's agenda is not that cleverly hidden. The only problem is that NO ONE buys Mr. Pratt's inane storylines and writing. Not even the actors and I'm not just talking about Alicia Minshew and Thorsten Kaye. Tamara Braun even said she wasn't thrilled with Reese and the writing for her.When the opinion is so unanimously against Mr. Pratt and his work, there has to be something in what people are saying, but given Mr. Pratt's enormous ego, it seems all that matters is his own opinion. He's not a misunderstood genius here, just a hack writer.
Birdie, didn't you read his interviews...It's not his fault...Eden Reigle is responsible..... It's all her fault...No wait, it's McT fault.... He had to fix her mess.....It doesn't matter that McT wasn't gone 18 months before Pratt showed up and that B&*E were spewing their own brand of garbage at the fans and TK/AM...Pratt will finally take responsibility for the show starting May.....but not for what he, no ER, no McT did before this...ITA that there seems to be a deliberate attempt being made to tear down the character of Kendall/AM popularity......but he's failed...We love AM/KendallHe failed in making TB/Reese his golden girl because TB had the integrity to fight back....stand up for her character and the story she believed in, although she was lied to about the stroy from day one...TB/TK/ER fought hard and Pratt was forced to end it.... Although, that was ER fault.... Now, he wants us to embrace his newest pet.....but we will not....for many reasons other than they put her with Zach..1) She's the worst recast in the history of daytime..2) Pratt sealed her fate with his interviews3) The smut scene from day one turned viewers off..4) Beth Ehlers would have made a great Liza, JL just doesn't fit in that role..5) Throwing her as another obstacle to Zen, who already have enough obstacles, is always death to the new/recast/old character...Fans are standing by AM/Kendalll and PRatt's blatant attempt to diminish her popularity has failed...I'm waiting for the news that Pratt has been fired, hoping that Frons goes with him, and that someone hires a HW who doesn't have an agenda, and will write decent stories for all, especially Zach/Kendall/Zendall, Jangie, Tad, Taylor, etc..
The ONLY agenda a head writer should have is to put out the best show possible and not feed his own ego or live out his fantasies on the screen. I don't think it's a coincidence that Mr. Pratt, who has a picture of Jamie Luner on his desk, had as the first thing we see Ms. Luner do is have sex on screen including the distasteful panties shot. Nor to suddenly have a man between two lesbians.
Hasn't Mary Beth Evans recently been let go from Day's? She would have been a perfect re-cast for Liza also. This new one is not Liza at all. Liza grew up alot, she stoppped being slutty along time ago. That person on screen now is just a new face using Liza'a name. The charactor is not her. Bad casting call on AMC's part. JL would have been much better suited as a new Hailey or just someone new to town. It's dumb & a huge waste of a actress.
You're right, fans do need to take a stand. I am taking a stand by no longer watching these unwatchable shows--all three of them: AMC, OLTL, & GH. They are all horrible and I refuse to subject my intelligent brain to this mindless drivel any longer. I grew up watching soaps with my mother. I have been a soap viewer for 30+ years. What was once entertainment has become annoying crap! I, for one, am done with it. I hope the rest of you will join me.
I understand that some soaps are stinking a bit right now, but I think all a boycott will do is cause shows to be canceled & good actors to be out of work. I don't want to see that. I also have watched for 30+ years. Heck it's part of my life, sad but true. I can't imaging not having my soaps. Plus I can't complain much about OLTL, it's been pretty good. GH has always been my favorite & I'll never give it up. AMC has been crappy lately, but thats happend from time to time.
The show isn't just crappy on most days, it's downright disgusting...What Pratt has done to some of the characters on this show is a crime...Zach, Kendall, Bianca, Adam, David all victims of pratt.The only thing that he's been consistant about is the fact that Ryan Lavery is a low-life pig, but I really don't believe TPTB see it that way...The entrance of Pratt's cheap, sleazy version of Never Will Be Liza made me sick..This is not and never will be Liza Colby... .This is some skanky, one note character with LC name strapped on...I don't watch everyday anymore... In fact, I stopped for awhile, tuned back in for the Zen/Ian stuff, but the Ruin infestation and the destruction of Kendall is still going on...Pratt needs to go, but TPTB refuse to fire the HW from Hell....Frons has no business running ABC into the ground the way hbe s, but they let him...What are fans supposed to do??Tune in to garbage????I want better writing....Most of the actors/actresses are bringing it.... TK, AM, DC, SL, BE, VI, DM, DW, JRMartinez, but a few aren't up to that level and it shows...I don't want AMC cancelled, but why should we settle for garbage when there are writers out there who might actually bring this show back to life, instead of destroying it...What's an AMC fan to do with such incompetant/destructive people running and writing the show?
I agree with everything you've said. I admit to a lot of chanel surfing while it's on. There are somethings I refuse to watch. Liza being one. I had a laugh the first 2 times, I couldn't believe anyone would think we'd buy this new Liza. She is nothing like Liza, except for the way she was in school. Hello that was many, many years ago. She grew up & stop being a bed bouncer & wicked witch a long time ago. The only thing Iike are the Amanda/ Jake story, Jessie/ Angie/ Frankie/ Brot group & Adam's story. It stinks. I miss seeing Jack & Erica & many more things. I just would really hate to loose something that was once real good. I keep hoping that someone at ABC will get it together & fix it.
I, too, keep hoping it will get better. Meantime, I can't tune out. As you say, there are some storylines that are worth tuning in for - Amanda/Jake, the Hubbards/Brot group. I tape AMC these days, then when I watch I can fast forward through the distasteful sections. It takes me a total of about 20 minutes to watch now. Maybe someday soon I'll be able to watch without fast forwarding at all.

Mala, sorry if we were disrespectful, but we were responding to the disrespectful, insulting comments made by Pratt, JHC in their latest interview in TV Guide..An interview that insulted every actor/actress working on AMC....An interview that still has me outraged...and a lot of others...His comments are sickening...That was not a multiple thread, it was a new one, based on the latest crap interview...I respect the amazingly talented actors/actresses that work on this show, that were here before Pratt showed up and started destroying AMC, that have been here long before and will be here long after Mr. Pratt and Ms. Lunar leave..This isn't even about the direction of the show, which is going downhill, it's about Mr. Pratt's lack of respect for the actors/actresses we love, whose work is outstanding.....I feel bad for the actors/actresses who read that vile interview.....I feel bad for them having to work so hard for someone who has no respect for them at all.Will watch what we say, but the fact is Charles Pratt continues to outrage viewers and insult the cast......and deserves to be called on the carpet for this crap.