Ok, let me state this.....I didn't mean to lump all of you with the Zendall fans...just the last person talking of obliterating a baby. So, that was for the previous post. However, with that being said, any time that I have said anything that wasn't a glowing remark about Kendall or Zach, I get bashed brutally by tons of Zendall fans....and I have seen your name in those post before.
As far as Tamara Braun's character...she was bisexual. Her previous relationship, before Bianca was with a man which is why Bianca was so uneasy with her friendship that she was developing with Zach. I don't think it was a diss on the gays everywhere. And to lump all gays together, to think that they should be insulted by the storyline that AMC chose to tell isn't exactly right either. I think by Reese being slighted conflicted about her feelings for Zach was an honest way to approach how some gay, lesbian and bisexual people may feel. Not insulting.....just true.
And to prove my point, I'm going to say something that I have been dying to say ever since I started posting on this blog.....I don't think that Alicia Menshew is that great of an actress. When dealing with a sad moment on the show, she sobs a lot, but no tears ever surface on her face, unless she really forces them out. When Greelee was apologizing to her about causing the accident with her son, Alicia was saying her lines with a half smile on her face. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Thorsten Kaye, one of the most brilliant actors to grace the screen, carrying her through most of their scenes together, I don't think people would be so crazy about the whole Zendall thing. Sarah Michelle Gellar was a far better version of Kendall, but that didn't work because she and Susan Lucci didn't get along on the set.
Of course I have posted before and been positive about Zen, which I am certainly not going to apologize for.. but I have never personally bashed another poster personally if they didn't like Zen. I have often liked non-popular couples/actors/characters - to each his own.
If you just wanted to address the poster above you, then don't slam an entire fan base by stating"all you hardcore Zen fans". If you were only addressing one poster, you shouldn't have written the word "all". All does not sound like one to me.
IMO Reese was never a bI-sexual and I would say that Tamra Braun would agree with me since she was livid about the way the storyline took off..which was not how it was presented to her when she took the job.
Reese had been engaged to a man..and then realized she coudld not go through with it becaues she was GAY..not BI. If she was BI, the idea of marrying a man would have not been so wrong to her.
She did not get involved with Zach because she was BI..she got involved with him as a plot point in Pratt's goal to : break up Zach and Kendall - and put Tamara Braun with the most popular male character on the show. Both faiiled miserably. Reese was in love with Bianca..that was supposed to be her charm. Having her get involved with a man who was so relieved that his wife came out of a coma was writing stupidty.
I respect Tamara Braun. She was one of the few actors/actresses to call Pratt on his heinous nonsense. But I have no use for Reese, who is a reminder of a miserable time on AMC
I could not disagree with you more about Alicia, Alicia has done some amazing work on her own..her scenes when her boys were both in the hospital and in critical condition were unmatched by anyone in daytime. She also does comedy better than most. She brings life to whatever she does. I think both TK and AM are amazing separately but bring out the best in each other. I liked SMG but I never loved Kendall until AM.
And again, you get upset if someone bashes a fictional character but have no problem...actually saying you couldn't wait and you were dying to since you started posting here put down a hard working actress.
Quote:Wow, I have never heard anyone say anything so horrible about an innocent baby. I don't like it when shows kill small children, and I think your suggestion is horrible. Eden Riegel is permanently tied to the show, since she is the daughter of Erica Kane, and I believe she should be. I guess I forgot though, all you exremely hardcore "Zendall" fans think that anyone that causes them grief should be obliterated from the planet. Nobody liked the storyline of Bianca using Zach as a sperm donor, I get it....but I still like Bianca. And I do think that Tamara Braun is a good actress. Firstly, 'the most hated baby ever born' is a quote from SOD's Carolyn Hinsey. Secondly, the baby is fictional so anything can be said. It is what that baby represents, betrayal, lies and utter despicable,and tasteless behavior that belied the integrity of two beloved characters, Zach and Bianca. It also represents the barreness of Pratt's talent, his utter and complete failure as a writer and in particular, his ignorance of soap opera writing technique. For the record I don't like shows that harm or kill small children either, but I am more than willing to make an exception here.There are many ways to obliterate a soap character, not only by killing off. They can completely ignore the existence of this baby or change it's paternity so that at least even though the betrayal is still on the table, the tasteless and twisted relationship among the Slater/Kane/ Montgomery children would not exist. If Bianca ever is to return ,it has to be addressed even though I am sick of baby stroylines. I believe Bianca will not be accepted again until the paternity is changed not only because I'm a 'hard core Zendall fan' , but because I am also a hard core AMC fan who believes in character integrity and show history and writers who respect the hard work these actors put into creating these characters. No writers should be allowed to change the integrity of a character on a soap anymore than they should be allowed to change the integrity of the characters in classic novels by rewriting them which is what Pratt did.The creation of this baby wasn't necessary to this storyline.It was supposed to be a lesbian storyline, not one of betrayal. It was supposed to be a storyline of a woman trying to come to terms with her sexuality and and sexual preference..it was anything but. The baby was not necessary.
I don't have a problem with people bashing fictional characters, I have bashed many of the fictional characters myself. But I was stating an opinion about Alicia Minshew's acting capabilites, something that happens to tons of other characters that are on AMC. She is not exempt. And I didn't say that I couldn't wait to put her down, I said that I have been wanting to address something, but haven't because of all of the bashing that happens when you talk about a FICTIONAL character, which is why I mentioned her skills. And with the right writing team, just about any character can be redeemed. I think Bianca and Reese deserve that opportunity. I think Eden got the rawest deal out of everyone with that storyline, becasue now it's like she can't come back because people don't want to be reminded of how she hurt Kendall. That's crap, in my opinion. The show needs some kind of GLBT representation and I am a big fan of Bianca.
Well, however you choose to obliterate the baby is on you, but having Bianca come back to Pine Valley with one less child and just failing to mention the other childs existence doesn't really fall into your whole honoring history, cause the fact is, she used Zach as a sperm donor and had a child so the baby exist. The new writers would just have to figure out a way to make it work. Kendall would have to just get over it, much like Greenlee had to get over it when Kendall decided to use her eggs to have Ryan and Greenlee's baby.
Quote:I don't have a problem with people bashing fictional characters, I have bashed many of the fictional characters myself. But I was stating an opinion about Alicia Minshew's acting capabilities, something that happens to tons of other characters that are on AMC. She is not exempt. And I didn't say that I couldn't wait to put her down, I said that I have been wanting to address something, but haven't because of all of the bashing that happens when you talk about a FICTIONAL character, which is why I mentioned her skills. And with the right writing team, just about any character can be redeemed. I think Bianca and Reese deserve that opportunity. I think Eden got the rawest deal out of everyone with that storyline, because now it's like she can't come back because people don't want to be reminded of how she hurt Kendall. That's crap, in my opinion. The show needs some kind of GLBT representation and I am a big fan of Bianca. Alicia Minshew is an actress not a character on AMC. Which are you addressing?Your statement 'I've been dying to say...'most certainly implies you were waiting for the right moment and venue to put her down. If you feel she isn't talented you are entitled to say so just as I am entitled to say I think the same of Tamara Braun. It isn't necessary to insult actors because of bashing that goes on. If you cannot answer without insulting actresses ,then don't respond.You say you're a big Bianca fan? Then you should be outraged at what Pratt did to that character. And no Bianca cannot come back because of what Pratt did and I bet it's going to take a very long time to come with something that will acceptable to the fans that exonerate Bianca. Pratt made Bianca a hypocrite and an self entitled b&*6ch.
You don't have any right to tell me that I shouldn't post responses on here. If I want to I will. This is a public forum and I have the right to say whatever I feel. As far as your comment about fictional characters, I was RESPONDING to another person who said that I had a problem with bashing fictional characters, and I told that person that I didn't have a problem bashing fictional characters. And I stated that other actor's acting capabilities are always put in question, which is why I mentioned her acting skills. And at least the person I was responding to, KATHYNYC has enough civility to know that this is a public forum and respects the fact that people have the right to say whatever they want. So, KATHYNYC gets much respect from me. And if memory serves me right, when I said that I thought Tamara Braun was a good actress, you were the first one to dish out a bash. Just in case you forgot, these are your words:
"As for Reese, a total waste of airtime. And as far as her acting chops, sorry don't see them. It's all that arm flailing that got in the way. I guess the Academy of Arts and Sciences was able to crop it all out and give her an EMMY for DOOL."
(By the Way, Tamara is the actress and Reese is the character. Which one were you addressing?)
And yes, I am a big Bianca fan, which is why I want her on the show. I don't think Bianca (or Eden) should be punished and sent off to exile just because of the hack job that Pratt did. Bianca is not a irredeemable character. There are still so many good qualities left in her. If anyone is irredeemable it would be the so-called "Irresistable" Ryan Lavery (at least that's what the advertisements say.)
I was going to stay out of this, but you changed that...Everyone has the right to love, like, hate who they want....But you attacks on Alicia Minshew crosses a line that you should have never crossed...AM is a amazingly talented actress who put her heart & soul into making Kendall Slater a character that is loved my many....and with the help of TK, they made Zendall the couple of the century....You don't have to like her, that's fine.....but you are in the minority...Heck, I don't think TB is all that, but that's just me.....Reese was not bi-sexual.... They promoted Reeks as a love story btw a same sex couple...but Pratt lied.... He lied to the fans, to ER, TB, TK, & AM.... and they fought back....and I say "Good for them"..Those 4 had the integrity to stand up to a hack who was trying to destroy the show & their characters...Reese was hated for many reasons & not just because she was written like a dog in heat around Zach, but because from the beginning, like JL/Fake Liza, Pratt tried to force her down our throats even before she aired...Ms. Cool & Amazing, wasn't cool or amazing..... He pushed ER/Bianca into the background & attempted to destory every character & the best couple in daytime for his wet dream...Pratt's message was this.... You can make a lesbain go striaght just by putting a hot man her orbit.... That was insulting to many...Then, when it failed, he switched the story to make Zach, Kendall the bad ones...I hope Reese never returns....She wasn't bi-sexual.....She was supposed to be a lesbian and they never played that...As far as the "Most Hated Baby In Daytime" which CH pointed out in her column.... She needs to disappear anyway they can make that happen..Pratt creating a child with Zach & Bianca was not only one of his biggest mistakes..but it damaged the character of Zach & decimated the character of Bianca beyond repair....Bianca acted like an entitled, selfish twit....who was jealous that her sister had a good life, so she stole it from her...Her comments were horrendous:* I didn't tell Kendall because I didn't wnat her to say No"Selfish, entitled, *itch....The fact that she neve acknowledged that it wasn't not telling Kendall, it was not asking Kendall.Calling Zach the daddy from day one..Comparing herself to Kendall in regards to Zach..Living in Kendall's home with Kendall's kids with a baby that should never have existed...When Kendall woke up, Bianca, Zach, everyone acted like it was no big deal...Then, Bianca got to walk away to her happy family after leaving Kendall's family in ruins...BOB needs to go.....Never to be seen again....I don't care if anyone thinks that's crule.... In the 40 years I've been watching soaps, AMC mostly, I've never hated a plot device, as much as this one..... and IMHO, there's never been a plot device like BOB that was this destructive.... to characters, to a couple, to a legacy family, to the entire show..So, if TPTB get rid of BOB, I'm all for it...Too each his own on who we like, love, hate, but saying AM isn't talented...,,. >GMAFB.......You can say what you want on this public forum....but I don't think you can bash an amazingly talented actress and not expect to be called on that kind of lunacy....
I'm going to say this and then I moving on. I never once said that Alicia Minshew was not talented. I said that I didn't think she was that great of an actress and that I liked Sarah Michelle Gellar's portrayal of Kendall better. As far as your hatrid for the character of Bianca...you are entitled to feel that. However, I don't see why there isn't eqaul amount of hatrid distributed for the character of Zach. I mean, what man gives his wife's sister sperm so she can have a baby, without telling or asking his wife? We all know, without his little swimmers there could and would be no baby. So, I think Zach should hold the same amount of the blame, if not a little more, on this matter. This is the same thing that Kendall did to Greenlee. When the power outage that was caused by Zach and she decided to use her eggs to carry Greenlee's baby, she didn't ask or tell Greenlee what was going on....And not too many people were that angry at Kendall for the egg switch. So, it mostly seems to be one-sided, in my opinion.
On the subject of AM: Too each his own...as they say....AM is one of the few recast that not only worked, but she owns the role of Kendall...JMHOAs far as Bianca..... I used to love Bianca...but started to dislike her the minute she put Babe above Kendall.... Bianca is not beneath emotional blackmail to get Kendall to do what she wants.....But this baby thing that Pratt wrote damaged her big time.....Yes, Zach is also responsible and I was angry as hell at him, but Zach paid, Kendall paid, Spike & Ian paid for that decision...We saw Zendall go through hell because of that & the things that happened after...Bianca, once again got a free pass for the wreck & ruin she caused...Yes, without Zach's donating BOB wouldn't exist, but it wouldn't have happened if Bianca had shown any respect, love, or consideration for the sister who was ready to die for her and not Asked him in the first place..It was Bianca who asked....at a time when she knew Zen were having problems....at a time when Zach was vulnerable...No, it's not all her fault, Zach should never have said yes...but she should never have ask..Not to mention, she also lied to Zach.... She told him that she would let him know if she decided to go through with it...and didn't..She got what she wanted, then destroyed lives & enjoyed it...She also showed Zach no consideration when she showed up to rip his family to shreds without letting him know she was coming & pregnant with his donation...Both are too blame, but Bianca set this in motion... Bianca got off scott free...and Bianca still needs to make amends...This story should never have taken place...They should have brought ER/TB on as a lesbian couple.....wanting a baby.....and given them real life problems....not throwing Zach under a bus for Pratt's vile agenda...As far as comparing Spike & BOB.... Are you kidding..Kendall shouldn't have used her own egg, but what Kendall did was out of love for someone who has never deserved her love....she was going to give GL a child...Bianca just wanted to take what was rightfully her sisters and did so..... She had the daughter that KEndall wanted to give to Zach and stole Kendall's daughter's name for a child that shouldn't exist...There is a big difference in those two stories..... Not the least of which is Kendall acknowledges she was wrong, paid for that, and continues to this day...Bianca not so much... That lame attempt at apologizing before she finally left didn't sit well with me.."I did this to you"... ."I'm so sorry"..... after all the damage was done........and she got to go home after Kendall cleaned up her mess, leaving Kendall's life in ruin...Kendall took major hits from everyone in PV for the egg fiasco...She was humiliated, treated like dirt, etc.Everyone embraced Bianca's betrayal & expected Kendall to do the same..Kendall wanted to do something for someone she loved...Bianca just wanted what she wanted and didn't care if she destroyed someone who loved her to get it..No comparision in the situations...JMHO
I will miss David Canary!!! As for this other stuff....AMC has been a nasty mess for a long long time. Now Pratt is gone and it's time to move on to I hope better brighter days in Pine Valley.
Case in point, I am STILL trying to figure out why Dixie or Stuart had to die, or why Jack and Erica had to break up, or even why Jesse, Angie, Liza, and Frankie haven't discussed his kid with Mia. I want to see history played out and characters acting in character and I haven't gotten that on AMC in what, 3 LONG years.
Amen....I totally agree with you.
Quote: Case in point, I am STILL trying to figure out why Dixie or Stuart had to die, or why Jack and Erica had to break up, or even why Jesse, Angie, Liza, and Frankie haven't discussed his kid with Mia. I want to see history played out and characters acting in character and I haven't gotten that on AMC in what, 3 LONG years. They didn't. In Stuart's case, and this is just my own speculation, Pratt wanted to write for Melissa Claire Egan, a known fact. He killed Stuart off to fit her in on the canvas even though her character should have been sent to prison or kept in the mental institution she was in. Estensten and Brown saw that. In giving this actress a storyline, he destroyed all the characters involved, Adam who chose her, a felon and psychopath, over his own family. Since when does Adam do that? And this happened directly after he fought David from getting custody of their shared grandson. It made no sense. So the only reason Stuart died was to make a connection between Adam and Annie where none existed before. If Stuart had to die, why not show Adam's deep grief and sadness and share that with Marion? Why make Marion a crazy person? Why have Kendall confess to a murder she didn't commit? All to give Melissa Claire Egan a storyline where she didn't have one. JMO.Dixie? I guess Cady McClain's outspokeness about making Tad a killer got her character a complimentary poisonous breakfast. Jack and Erica? No explanation at all. No one knows.In short, it was all plot, plot, and more plot and favortism and had nothing to do with any creativity, or anything else. It's why AMC was so bad these past years.
Rumor about Stuart is, there was already a good chance of David C either not re-signing or being let go. He played 2 people so they went ahead & killed off Stuart.
Quote:Rumor about Stuart is, there was already a good chance of David C either not re-signing or being let go. He played 2 people so they went ahead & killed off Stuart. Interesting. But it still doesn't explain why Adam got stuck with Annie. Since David Canary stayed why stick him with Annie? I can only imagine the storyline that should have played out for David Canary instead of what we got. Other than a few moments at Stuart's grave and funeral, Adam's grief was minimal. He was all about getting Annie off by illegal means. The bond and closeness between the twins deserved far better treatment than what was written.And the short shrift given to Marion ( Jennifer Bassey) was just awful.
You know, it's just my opinion, but I think any time you have a serial killer on a daytime soap, it's a bad idea. Dixie should have just gone out of town or something. Her relationship with Tad is always up and down....they could have had one of their famous knock down drag-out arguements and let her go off and vent for a while. Any time you add a killer to the mix of a popular daytime show, it's going to end badly. If you choose to go with the serial killer storyline, they should only kill extras or filler characters (people that don't truly offer anything to the show.)Ever since the movie, "Scream" came out in the late 90's, various soaps have been playing around with the idea of a masked killer attacking residents in that town. The problem with soaps adopting this kind of story is, when you go to the movies you can pick out all of the characters that are going to be picked off, leaving the Hero and his damsell in distress or the Heroine and her wounded boyfriend and the audience is not truly invested in these characters like we are with soap stars. Programs that expand over 40 years should not be on the same level as an hour and a half film. This especially goes wrong when an extremely popular character falls victim to the often unimportant suspect. I mean, was it really worth it to kill of Simone and Dixie, just to give the "Satin Slayer" a story?So writers if you ever think.....Oooh, let's do a serial killer storyline. Take a moment and then come to your senses and DON'T DO IT!
Well now there is no explaining Annie & Adam. What gets me a little is when they first brought Annie & Emma to town I liked the story & her. Then Greenlee was put in the mix & everything went down from there. To me things get screwed up bad for the Greenlee & Ryan stories. Those are 2 people who I wish would leave town.
The whole show began to revolve around Ryan and Greenlee when she made her return, and Ryan quikcly forgot how much he loved Annie. That man is like Hazardous Waste. If they were going to pair up Adam with anyone, it should have been Krystal. I liked the chemistry that those two had together. The whole Annie/Adam thing was handled very sloppily. I never once believed that these two characters actually cared for each other....and I still don't.
Quote: To me things get screwed up bad for the Greenlee & Ryan stories. Those are 2 people who I wish would leave town. ITA, but will change it a bit...Everyones stories get screwed up when then insert those two in them...Zendall was always having to carry those two....propping, pimping, because their story couldn't sell on it's on...David & Erica are being dragged down by those two right now..Annie was okay in the beginning, but she was trashed, like Aidan, like Kendall, like Zendall for the vulgar Rylee...They dumbed down Adam for Annie, but I hear he's getting his youknowwhats back a bit...Pratt wanted MCE/Annie to be the focus....along side his Turbo...and that ruined it...Sad to see DC leave.....because without him AMC will never be the same..There isn't anyone on canvas who can take Adam place as the Business Mogel, Good/bad guy....Zach Slater is the only one who could fit the bill.... Not the evil part, but business mogel who takes no prisoners... Yes....DC/Adam/Stuart will be missed..
Quote:Well now there is no explaining Annie & Adam. What gets me a little is when they first brought Annie & Emma to town I liked the story & her. Then Greenlee was put in the mix & everything went down from there. To me things get screwed up bad for the Greenlee & Ryan stories. Those are 2 people who I wish would leave town. I agree I'll go along with this, marry them off and send them packing. Greenlee's storyline is so illogical....so what if Ryan took up with Erica and Kendall, as disgusting as it was, Greenlee was supposed to be dead. Did she leave a will forbidding Ryan to go with his life? Was he supposed to curl up and die because she died? I'm already over Greenlee and to think Kendall will return in April and we will have to rehash all this garbage again and I assume Greenlee will be the victim here as well. Sorry, this character has lost her luster. Ever since Esta Terblanche (Gillian) and Josh Duhamel (Leo) left, I think it's been hard for the writers to make lightening strike twice for these two. I really think their day has come and gone. There's been no growth for either of these two characters. And yes, every storyline they are involved in goes downhill. They are just too intrusive. Had you ever watched GH when Lucy Coe was on? Here was character that was somewhat like Greenlee when she first came on, but oh my, I had never seen such growth and development and such humanity given to a character before. That is not the case here. There's been no growth with Greenlee, she's still immature and vacuous. Let's hope the interim and new writers will make Erica come out ahead here as she should. Greenlee needs to be put in her place.As for Annie, she was okay when she first came on but as soon as they put her in Ryan's orbit, she died. I began to hate her when she refused to allow Kendall to see Spike during that Satin Slayer storyline, and that was after they tried to take Emma from her. She had no compassion. Still doesn't.
"Had you ever watched GH when Lucy Coe was on? Here was character that was somewhat like Greenlee when she first came on"...At first, reading this before the"but oh my"... I was thinking you are nuts to compare Greenlee to the wonderful Lucy...but anywayyou are not nuts & yes you are right. I loved Lucy Coe!! And I will forever miss Adam C /David C,, but wish him much happiness in his retirement
Here's an idea....why don't they bring Enchantment back for Erica. That way she and Greenlee can quit all the catfighting over Fusion. I mean, Fusion has sucked anyway, ever since they lost all of the original Fusion girls....Mia, Simone, Greenlee and Kendall. Without the four of them together, I don't think it works that well. Because I sure as hell don't want to watch Madison, Randi & Erica run Fusion. To me, Erica is way bigger than Fusion. Enchantment was more her style...much more of a classy environment, which I think fits Erica better.She needs to quit all of this cheap, campy fighting over Fusion. In all actuality, the company has been tanking for years now, you would think they would have gone under by now. I mean, every time someone mentions Fusion, they are constantly talking about the problems Fusion is facing. Walk away Erica and let Greenlee, Madison and Randi go down with the sinking ship.
Amen to that. I hope the new writers are reading these posts. I DO NOT EVER want to see another serial killer story AGAIN. And I am tired of major characters getting killed off for ANY reason. It has never made sense to me.
Oh I believe someone reads them. I've seen things talked out here hot & heavy on the GH thread & then change on the show. No much but some.
Ok, I have the greatest idea, so I hope TPTB read this...Since we are losing the great David Canary and there is a big gaping hole for the Chandler's and AMC, I think this is the perfect time to re-introduce a character from the past. They need to have........Ross Chandler come back into town. So, much history there. Plus, it would cancel the notion of even trying to replace David Canary. If they revised the Cordtlands, and brought back Ross Chandler that would instantly create some drama. Being that Palmer was his father and his mother was Adam & Stuart's sister, Lottie, it would be so much fun to watch. Plus, Ross has a connection to Amanda, since he raped her Aunt Natalie back in the 80's. Think about it ABC. We need someone who can keep the Chandler's interesting. I don't think the current family members can do that, so bring back Ross.
You know, I always felt Ross should come back. It would be able to shore up the Courtlandts and the Chandlers and it would be so much fun because he has both families blood coursing through his veins. They could make Janet sane again, and she could go after Ross for what he did to Natalie back in the 80's, but they would fall in love and scheme together. Or Nina could battle him for control of Courtlandt. That would not be far fetched because she did work there (when she was boinking Steve Jacobi) and the only reason she left Pine Valley was to get away from Palmer's meddling.
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