Jax has gotten on my nerves but I would also rather watch him than Liz. I can't stand her.

I agree Jax was never my favorite but at least he isn't whiny and annoying. But, then again I was never a huge fan of Liz from day one. And she could never make up her mind who she wants to be with. I guess that explains the three kids by three differnt fathers. so yeah she could go.

I respectfully disagree with you guys. Elizabeth is a LEGACY character- a freaking Webber. There is a lot of s/l potential for her just adressing her family issues. Bring on her father & mother to give us some insight into her & her poor choices.She has gone thru character assassination by the Unholy Trinity of Frons/Guza/Farren Phelps. Get back to the true essence of the character.I like Jax but he is also a victim of the Unholy Trinity. They cut him out of the show by him being always away on business trips & him missing key s/l beats. They also took away his manhood by always having him crawl back to Carly. Now that they want to try a Carly/Shawn pairing, it's bye-bye Jax.I would list the following characters to go before Jax however: Lisa, Maya, Ronnie, BrookLyn, Nicholas, Johnny & Spinelli. But unfortunatley, there is another agenda by TPTB. They can hide behind budget cuts, but that's a bunch of BS. Cut down on the explosions, gunfights & CGI. Also, how about cutting the wardrobe budget. Do they really have to wear designer clothes like Oscar De Larenta, Dolce & Gabbana and Michael Kors? You can save a bundle right there.Again this only my opinion.

In one area I agree with you. She is a Webber, she and Stephen Lucky & Lulu are all thats left of that family but you'd never know they are family. By adoption they are cousins. Kinda of weird that they married adopted cousins together. There is a lot of room to write for her, but the problem is they don't. The writers have changed her into someone I just don't like. I said at one point let her leave for a while but bring her back and write right for her.

The show is filling up with way too many FFwd moments. Storylines are dragging and instead of getting rid of transient characters, core characters are being cut. It's time for Lisa to move on and Robin and Patrick to get back together. Terrell isn't a strong enough character to separate those two and Johnny really doesn't need another whack job woman in his life. Bring Johnny out as a true adversary for Sonny or cut him loose.With the exception of Michael and Abby, the "new" romances aren't working, either. Lucky and Siobhan have zero chemistry and the character isn't even likeable. She's only being kept around to be a bump in the road when Aiden's true paternity is revealed. And that appears to be soon. Nicholas and Brooklyn aren't believable either and I can't see her comforting Nicholas when he finds out that Aiden isn't his.You've got Alexis, Mac, Jax and Carly that need new good storylines. Load the bus with Lisa, Terrell, Brooklyn, Ronnie, Spinelli, Siobhan, Clair, Theo and Suzanne and develop some stories around the core families. There's a wealth of material available without adding any newbies.

Webber or no Webber, Liz needs to go....besides, given her history I'd say she has ruined the Webber name?

OMG yes I agree with you 100%!

Whats really to me bad is that I don't ever think of her or want to see her. You know how you want to see the others and their story. When I do see her all I think is where is the remote, time to change the channel for a minute.

Or, "now's a good time to go pee"

LOL you two said it perfectly. I could care a less if I see her.

Well one of the reasons that she is staying is because there was a huge fan outcry. Why not do the same for Jax's? I mean if it worked for her, might for him. He has been written like a jerk since he married Carly but if you like hm see what happens.

The only thing that makes me mad is people were more upset (well I was) about stuart damon being fired after being on the show for 30+ years and nothing was done. They just fired him anyway. Even after all the outrcry from cast members and fans. So why is this different? I would much rather have alan around then elizabeth or jax.

It comes down to money. SD probably commanded a much higher salary than RH & at that point, Alan was pretty much just a sentimental favorite. Any "older man" stories they may potentially want to tackle, they can do with Edward or Luke so from a budgetary standpoint, it was more cost effective to get rid of him.With RH, like her or hate her, there is still many years of storyline yet to be written for her & the actress has a huge fan base who made their voices heard.As for IR, it's probably all about money. That & as of the limo explosion, they officially wrote him into the Claudia corner, with him screaming at Sonny, a known manic depressive, telling Sonny to kill himself & going off on that tirade in front of Sonny's son (the kid Jax keeps telling Carly he really does love). His over the top acting aside, that was clear proof Jax doesn't give a damn about any of Sonny's kids. Then, the final touch was what he pulled on Carly. He doesn't know any concrete details about how Shawn fits into the whole kidnapping thing yet he uses his presence in Carly's house as an excuse to take her daughter from her. Ac. to Dante & Spinelli, Shawn has no record & only positive reports on his service in the war & when he was taken into "custody" it was as a material witness, not a suspect. In other words, he has no legal grounds on which to take the child from her. From a moral standpoint, he finally crossed the line completely & now, he's no better than Sonny. That makes him a non-essential character on the show. Sonny is much more popular & is the "bad guy" & Jax was supposed to be the "good guy". Good guys don't tell grieving manic depressives to blow their brains out & they don't steal children from their mothers because mom's got a hot guy sitting on her couch.He's the one who was supposed to be the positive role model for Morgan? Well, hell, the kid could learn all of that from his real father. What does he need Jax for? Aside from his good looks, what do we need Jax for?

Quote:Or, "now's a good time to go pee" That too!!!

Liz reminded me yesterday why I want her gone. That fit of hers and Nick's was uncalled for.

While I think her tirade was over the top, I don't think her annoyance at their behavior was. When she came home from Shadybrook, she decided to prioritize her kids over her love life & when the paternity test came back showing Nik was the father, she & Nik spoke about how they'd deal with the custody issue & it was Nikolas who promised that he was not going to make the same mistakes with Aiden that he made with Spencer. One of those mistakes being always sending Spencer off to be with the nanny. Nik's gone all day for work & social obligations, comes home & immediately proves he learned nothing from the last million times the wrong person walked in on him in bed with some woman. He came home after being out all day & didn't even bother to check in with the nanny or the baby himself, to see how he was feeling or even just to bond. All he thought about was getting laid.As for Liz lacing into Brook for opening her mouth at all, I'm all with Liz. Brook has no right to say anything about Aiden's custody situation. She's nothing to him. All she is is Nikolas' latest misguided attempt to get over Emily. She's not Aiden's mother or step-mother & Nik should remind her of that fact. Liz shouldn't have to do it for him.Don't get me wrong. I know she was mostly motivated by jealousy, but she was also angry for another reason. When she & Nik were ironing this all out, one of the reasons she was hesitant about letting him be a fully involved father was her fear of Aiden growing up like Spencer. Let's face it. Nikolas barely qualifies as a father to that boy. Don't forget. Lucky is the model father in her eyes. Despite a full time, demanding & dangerous job, Lucky makes it a priority to be a fully involved & everpresent father to 2 kids who aren't even his biologically. So, when Liz saw Nik reverting to his old pattern of putting everything else ahead of his kids, it was like a confirmation of the fears she had back when she was pregnant with Aiden. I'm not saying Nik shouldn't have a private life, but he does need to learn a little discretion. Spencer could've walked in on them having sex on the living room floor. If he's going to have sex in every room in his house, he should learn to lock the door. You'd think he'd have learned his lesson after Lucky walked in on him rolling around on the floor with Liz.

I agree with you. I think the idea was to make Liz as snarky as possible since she was leaving the show. Now that she's staying, TPTB are having a rough time changing the s/l. The old Elizabeth had an edge to her that softened over the years, but there's no reason why it shouldn't come back. She's in for some pretty rough times.I, for one, am glad that she's staying because she is a core family character and there are so many s/ls available to her. Those that don't want her back constantly bring up the fact that she has 3 boys with 3 different fathers. Let us not forget that Carly and Alexis have the same. As for who she could end up with, neither Lucky nor Nicholas have a great love in their lives right now. I can't see Brooklyn stepping up when Nicolas finds out that he's not Aidens father.I don't agree with reducing Jax to recurring. He, also has a potential for a lot of s/l. With Josslyn about to become really ill, he will have a chance to be the terrified father and "maybe" a comfort to Carly. Who is Carly going to turn to in this mess? Jason will be too busy grieving for his son and will have Sam to comfort him. Or will Carly pull her typical line that she is most important in Jason's life no matter what? Jax could also be paired with Alexis, they had chemistry in the past when they were married and if she's not going to be paired with Mac, Jax would be a great choice. It also would drive Carly crazy.

Where the heck is Spencer?

I used to be a huge Jax/Ingo fan but then he got too full of himself. I'd rather see IR leave than RH because I'd like to see GH return to greatness. Return to the core families, lose the mob-centric focus. The show is named after the hospital for Gawd's sakes, and they're firing the few actors they have playing nurses! The actress palying Epiphany has been dropped to recurring status. Who does that leave for nurses? Booby & Audrey aren't around! Day players? Extras? Cheap show!

Who is Carly going to turn to in this mess? Jason will be too busy grieving for his son and will have Sam to comfort him. Or will Carly pull her typical line that she is most important in Jason's life no matter what? I think the baby's illness will actually bring carly and jax closer. She usually runs to Jason when she and jax are having marital problems or other petty stuff. The situation with the baby is serious and I believe she and jax will be there for each other.

Actually Destiney, I believe Carly is going to turn to Shawn. I believe that is the pairing the Idiots in Charge want next.As for Jason & his grieving, rumor has it that Carly is going to tell Sam to give Jason a baby to get over losing Jake!!!! Another stellar idea from the Unholy Trinity of Frons/Guza/JFP!

Good point..........I forgot all about Shawn. I guess I can get with her leaning on him but I still think this will bring her and Jax back together.....jmo