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ZendallFan
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I mean there is NO other explanation for the way the women on this show are being written.

Amanda's being written as slutty
Krystal is being written as she can't survive without a big strong man
Kendall is being written as dumbed down so Ryan can have his revenge
Angie was even dumbed down when Rebecca was around

I think the only woman on this show that hasn't been dumbed down is Erica.

I mean what is it with these writers, do they think women are sluts, whores, and can't survive without a man by their side?

I mean Pratt has been quoted as saying(paraphrasing): "A stronger man makes for a strong woman"

Excuse me? Women can be strong all on their own, they don't need a man to make them strong

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ZF, I don't think we can assume something about someone's personal life with regards to what they hate or not.

However, Pratt does seem to showcase a hatred of strong women in his writing style..maybe he thinks this.."ooo, save me big strong man"..mentality is appealing to woman of today. Pssst..it's not.

All the women have been dumbed down, all the women seem to be wanting to have sex for all the wrong reasons, and all the woman seem desparate to have a man around or they can't function.

I don't agree that Erica has been left unscathed. I think the writers have toyed with her enough..she is not consistent in what she is saying. On day she is making sense sending Kendall back to her family and then next day she is sending Kendall to Ryan for one reason or another.

I think really the ONLY female to be left alone with a brain is Taylor..maybe because she is a woman who worked in a traditional man's job...the army...she gets a buy. Obviously someone who deals with make up or was just a homemaker./mother doesn't hold the same value.

Did you read the weekly hotsheet that comes from ABC? Just the way that it was worded was nauseating. Kendall stuck betwen two hot guys? Like what's a girl to do (I.e. a girl with no brain or no scruples)??? Cheating on your husband is entertaining fun....!!! NOT.

And oo, what is it with Kendall and grief sex? I dunno, ABC..you tell us. Maybe it's because of a lack of creativity in your writer who does not seem have an original bone in his body and recycles plots as often as I change underwear.

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Kathy, in regards to the HotSheet spoilers....it was disgusting and made it sound as if Kendall was a [censored].....No mention of Ryan's role, just that once again Kendall is using sex to get over her grief...I don't think it's just Pratt's writing that is insulting to women, but ABC daytime in general in theri attitude toward women..I also want to add something that I noticed and it sickens me...Some fans, also have that same attitude..With the upcoming ugly btw Kendall and her abuser, it is Kendall who is being called names by fans.....Ryan gets a pat on the back for using his biggest victim for sex and revengeI think that AMC is the worst at writing for women in daytime right now...Kendall is going 4 years backwards... They've taken away her backbone and her brain... She can't do anything without Ryan telling her it's okay..KWAK, a character that I loathe, used to be strong... She stood up to Adam, Erica, etc, but now she's addicted to pills and can't go to the bathroom unless big strong manipulative David tells her she can..Amanda can't survive without Jake, Frankie, or JR taking care of her.... Hell, just a month ago, Jake called her a [censored]....but that's okay...I dont' like it, but not only do I see the writing demeaning to women, but some fans buy into it and it's disgusting...Whether Pratt hates women or not, I don't know, but he is writing women in a demeaning way and that I don't like...Hell, even the PR people at ABC are using promos that are demaning to the woman.....Kendall is called on the carpet for the BS so-called grief sex, but they don't mention that Ryan has using the mother of his son to get over his so-called love of his life 30 seconds after she is supposed to be dead...Sick...

ZendallFan
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That's a better way of saying it Kathy, he seems to hate STRONG women.I don't mean in his personal life, I just mean on soaps

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Quote:That's a better way of saying it Kathy, he seems to hate STRONG women.I don't mean in his personal life, I just mean on soaps However, he did say he compares Zen to his own marriage. Scary, huh? IJSThis is terribly sexist writing. At the same time the men are written as insensitive manhandlers and manipulators. I'm not sure if Pratt respects any human beings. I guess he tells himself, oh well, it's just a soap. Well, when you spend 20, 30, 40 years loyal to a show and a group of characters--and possibly got started with it at your mother's knee and shared it with her--it is more than just a soap. It's something that means something to our lives. And I don't care if Pratt, Sweeney, and Frons think that's stupid or not. We are entitled to our feelings and we are their customer. I have never seen a company disrespect its customers so much.

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They are not just disrespecting their customers, but they are disrepsecting their amazing talent also..AM stated in an interveiw that she asked JHC to please make sure the the integrity of Kendall and her love for Zach and the boys be protected.... They ignored her and decided to ruin the work that AM put into the character of Kendall for Pratt's sick, version of who he thinks Kendall should be, and IMHO, because what other story could they give CM to keep the character of Ryan front & center....ER/TB were sold a bunch of bull to get them to sign on.....only to find out that they were lied too...TB gave an interveiw an admitted that this wasn't the story she signed onto play.... the Zach stuff was not supposed to go as far as it did....Hell, it wasn't supposed to even happen, then it was supposed to be a tease thing, and look what happen..Even now, Reese is hated and no one really gives a damn if Reeks reunited...as long as they go away and never return..The blatant disrespect to the consumers and the disrespect to the amazingly talented actors/actresses makes me sick..Why Brian Frons still has a job amazes me..... Why Pratt was hired in the first place, why he was allowed and is still allowed to decimate everything good on this show is shocking and why JHC is still the EP is insane...It's no wonder people are tuning out.....and actors/actresses can't understand how they are supposed to play their scenes when the garbage Pratt is putting out makes no sense...Personally, I just don't see AMC making it with the team of Frons/Pratt/Carruthers at the helm...... I just don't...

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Quote:I mean there is NO other explanation for the way the women on this show are being written. Yeah, there is another explanation for the way the characters are being written: They're being written that way to generate story.I'm going to warn everyone that I'm not a fan of this thread even existing, so know that I will be watching it. We will not tolerate people making up motivations and assigning them to others. You don't know what other people are thinking, so please confine your complaints to the work that appears on-air, not what you imagine motivates it.thanks

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Quote:Quote:I mean there is NO other explanation for the way the women on this show are being written. Yeah, there is another explanation for the way the characters are being written: They're being written that way to generate story.I'm going to warn everyone that I'm not a fan of this thread even existing, so know that I will be watching it. We will not tolerate people making up motivations and assigning them to others. You don't know what other people are thinking, so please confine your complaints to the work that appears on-air, not what you imagine motivates it.thanks I think all of us agree they are trying to generate a story however...I think the question remains why must there be a demoralizing of one character or gender to bolster another? Or are we rewriting what being shown on our screens?

KathyNYC
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Joe:Yeah, there is another explanation for the way the characters are being written: They're being written that way to generate story.

Well sadly there's the problem in a nutshell. Characters are being written OUT of character, without REGARD to character and in the case of women, without ANY BRAINS or MORAL CODE...so we can get a story. Who cares if it makes little sense. Woman can't seem to function without some man, usually one who is using her and she doesn't know it.. or even worse, she doesn't care. But hey, we can write a story so let's go for it. I cry FOUL.

While I certainly would not begin to insinuate what Pratt's feelings are in REAL life, it would seem that he sees the woman of Pine Valley to be guiliable, stupid and/or immoral.

Of course, Amanda would betray her late best friend Babe by blackmailing her husband..I mean we are talking $5 million. Let's look at priorities, right?

Of course, KWAK is now plotting with David to get LIttle Adam away from the Chandlers..as LIttle A had a drink there so it's not safe. Conveniently it matters little that JR fell OFF the wagon because of much encouragement from David. Krystal knows this but obviously it's not important, not does the fact that David has been drugging her. He makes her feel good so nothing else matters.

Of course Annie tried to kill so many people because the very idea of losing big hunky Ryan would have killed her...I don't know why, as this "hero" abandoned Annie, the woman he promised to love forever and shacked up with his REAL love in front of Annie's daughter and practically forget he even had a wife...and now is moving on already. And Annie is the one that nuts?

I am not going to even get into the travesty that has been tossed upon Kendall and in turn... Zendall, one of the few things of value and of rooting value this show has managed to create in the last years. They way they have been manipulated for "PLOT" and "STORY" has been criminal.

In order for their to be good stories, care needs to be taken to who the characters are AT THIS TIME. It doesn't work to go back and recycle storylines from years ago..becaues characters like REAL people grow and develop over time.

But this idea seems to be missing from Pratt's writing, along with any positives..and why? Because..they are being written that way to generate plots?

Sorry, Joe I really respect your opinion but in this case, I really don't buy that as a reason. It's certainly not a GOOD reason.

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The writing for women on AMC hasn't been good in a while but it has been especially bad recently. Women who used to display strength, brains and independence are now weak, stupid and dependent on and/or obsessed with men. I don't find it appealing or interesting. I always disliked Krystal but I did like that she was strong and fiery. Now she is weak, dependent and the spark has gone out of her. She's a shell of her former self and its not fun or compelling to watch.

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To me, I think there's definitely been a strong chauvanistic/misogynistic attitude with AMC since Charles Pratt took over and it's being promoted by ABC. Just look at the recent ABC HotSheet and SoapNet articles regarding the AMC storylines. Since Charles Pratt took over there has yet to be ONE female driven storyline where the woman wasn't shown as being weak or dependent on a man EXCEPT the Bella fiasco where Kendall was dead right about everything but was accused of being wrong, ignoring her marriage and being meddlesome and a terrible boss. During that storyline, Kendall was right, smart and acted like a professional woman yet AMC had everyone on screen saying what a horrible person she was, how wrong she was, etc. Besides that, no storyline has featured a strong woman, making smart decisions and thinking for herself. These are NOT the AMC women we've all come to know and love.If that's not the way AMC and ABC thinks they're presenting themselves, well, they're dead wrong. It's how it's coming across to the public and people simply don't like it.

 

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