Those words should have stuck in Greenlee's throat and chocked her. She never paid for kidnapping Spike and causing Ian to be born premature. She should be serving a long sentence in jail for kidnapping, instead of lusting after Zach. She is a dirty pirate whore who needs to leave PV for ever.

Sometimes a picture is WATW

Ugh wasn't it sickening? I about threw something at my tv when she said that.Hello pot meet kettle......

Can we please add Annie to this list?

Unbelievable, the unmitigated nerve and gall of the baby kidnapper and one who caused little Ian to be born too soon. Ugh. Greenme. I don't love to hate this creature, I just utterly hate and despise IT.

Quote:Unbelievable, the unmitigated nerve and gall of the baby kidnapper and one who caused little Ian to be born too soon. Ugh. Greenme. I don't love to hate this creature, I just utterly hate and despise IT. I love this Greenlee hate.It does my heart good. Don't you think she doesn't even belong here anymore? She's in every scene because they haven't got a place to put her.

Quote:Quote:Unbelievable, the unmitigated nerve and gall of the baby kidnapper and one who caused little Ian to be born too soon. Ugh. Greenme. I don't love to hate this creature, I just utterly hate and despise IT. I love this Greenlee hate.It does my heart good. Don't you think she doesn't even belong here anymore? She's in every scene because they haven't got a place to put her. I think you are absolutely right. Greenlee no longer fits anywhere, so they are trying to force her in everywhere. They need to wake up, cut their losses and send her back where she came from. It would double my pleasure if she took Loser Lavery along as well.

Quote:Quote:Quote:Unbelievable, the unmitigated nerve and gall of the baby kidnapper and one who caused little Ian to be born too soon. Ugh. Greenme. I don't love to hate this creature, I just utterly hate and despise IT. I love this Greenlee hate.It does my heart good. Don't you think she doesn't even belong here anymore? She's in every scene because they haven't got a place to put her. I think you are absolutely right. Greenlee no longer fits anywhere, so they are trying to force her in everywhere. They need to wake up, cut their losses and send her back where she came from. It would double my pleasure if she took Loser Lavery along as well. I third that.... Not only does Greenlee no longer fit anywhere, there is no use for her. They brougth her back and attemtped to decimate every single character/couple so that she could fit in and they have failed.They absolutely need to cut their losses and get rid of Greenlee sooner rather than later and it would be a ratings blockbuster if they sent Ryan Lavery with her. Two characters whose time has come & gone and they should be too. Neither character is a love to hate, they are just hated and the ratings prove that.... Greenlee is just vile, disgusting, and repulsive. She is beyond redemption and I hate that Kendall continues to pay for Greenlee's crimes when Kendall, Spike, & Ian are the victims... Sickening.. Another reason to tune out

Justice - Not in PV if you are Greenlee or a Lavery. This is why AMC is losing so many viewers.Erica goes to prison for insider trading, but the woman who kidnapped a child and caused the other to be born prematurely is not only whitewashed of her crimes, she is the reigning princess. Every other scene is with her - and she doesn't even belong. She has no place with Zen, the Kanes, Ryan and Annie. AMC needs to cut the huge losses and send her to prison where she belongs. Better yet, maybe she could die on her way.

Quote:Justice -Erica goes to prison for insider trading, but the woman who kidnapped a child and caused the other to be born prematurely is not only whitewashed of her crimes, she is the reigning princess. And then she gets to mouth off to Aidan, Josh and Jack about how Erica needs to pay for her crimes. Unbelievable. Does the show seriously expect me to take this character seriously?

Greenlee is such a hypocritical idiot. That baby maiming/kidnapper has some nerve to say that when she (Greenlee) is the one who has yet to pay for her crimes. I want that hypocritical baby maiming shrew off my screen.

It didn't make any sense to me what the writers were trying to go with Greenlee. It seems that she was just there to sick it to Erica, not to support Kendall, who she calls her best friend or to Jack who she knows love's Erica. The love of her father's life is going to jail. Whether she likes her or not, she could have been there for Jackson. Encouraging him to date? That was wrong and it just made me hate her more.Her comments were completely out of line. Every character is being written poorly and she's certainly no exception. Greenlee just stands out more for me because you would think that after everything she's been though, she have a little more sensitivity for Erica if only for Kendall's and Jackson's sake.I'm confused. She said she wanted to be there for Kendall, yet she didn't talk to her or ask her how she was once.

Both Greenlee and Ryan have no place on this show anymore and yesterday proved that once again. They put Greenlee in those scenes because they have no other place for her except in Kendall's life. Unless both Greenlee and Ryan are held accountable for the things they have done, there will be no redeeming them. I am so sick of both of them and they are definitely bringing this show down.

Sometimes a picture is WATW You are so right. The picture says it all.

Quote:Sometimes a picture is WATW You are so right. The picture says it all. Now, that is what I would love to see happen. Not only with Greenlee, but Ryan.... They could send both to jail for an extended period of time, very extended, and take them the heck off our TV screens....The best part would be if no one ever mentions the names Greenlee Smythe or Ryan Lavery again.... They are just sent to jail, never to return. Or better yet, in about 6 months they have Derrick inform Jack that Greenlee & Ryan tried to escape their separate prisons and were killed in the process...... The ratings would skyrocket...Behind bars is were they both belong. Never to be seen again...

I would love to see the characters pay for their crimes. I would start with Zach. The Black Out that killed all of those viable embryos had to be the most VILE thing ever shown on daytime TV. It was nothing short of a mass murder of unborn children.

Quote:I would love to see the characters pay for their crimes. I would start with Zach. The Black Out that killed all of those viable embryos had to be the most VILE thing ever shown on daytime TV. It was nothing short of a mass murder of unborn children. The only ones were destroyed were Greenlee's and thats it and I'm glad that Zach did it too. He was trying to protect Kendall because he knew how giving up a child would effect her. He also knew that Ryan was alive and was very violent and he wanted to protect Kendall from his wrath. Zach put Kendall first which is more than I can say about Greenlee. She didn't care how Kendall caring a child and then give him up would effect her. All she cared about was having a trophy and not the child it's self. I also think that the most VILE thing that has been done on AMC is that Greenlee kidnapped Spike while her best friend/sister was in labor and drove him over a cliff. Then if that wasn't enough she then stalked Spike whom she almost killed and wouldn't leave Kendall alone after she was told several times to do so. Then that witch has the nerve to say do the crime, do the time. I want to know when Greenlee will be hauled off to jail for the attempted murder of Laura English, kidnapping and child endangerment of Spike Slater, because she most certainly did the crimes but has never served the time.

WTH? Greenlee begged Kendall not to put spike in her car and then she only took him for 10 minutes or so before bringing him back. It doesn't come close to Zach's premeditated murder of multiple babies.Zach is a MASS BABY KILLER. Greenlee had a car ACCIDENT.The babies weren't the only deaths Zach had a hand in. He ignored Dr. Madden's pleas for help and let him die slowly buried alive.

Quote:WTH? Greenlee begged Kendall not to put spike in her car and then she only took him for 10 minutes or so before bringing him back. It doesn't come close to Zach's premeditated murder of multiple babies.Zach is a MASS BABY KILLER. Greenlee had a car ACCIDENT.The babies weren't the only deaths Zach had a hand in. He ignored Dr. Madden's pleas for help and let him die slowly buried alive. The reckless driving occurred while Greenlee was in the process of kidnapping a child. It also does not matter if Kendall had to beg Greenlee to take Spike. Greenlee should have done the right thing, the human decent thing and help out her friend/sister while she was in crises. Greenlee didn't. As for Zach and the Madden scenario where is your outrage at Tad. He is the one who kidnapped Madden, dug a grave stuck him in a box, buried him and tortured him for weeks, dug him back up and then buried him alive again. What Zach did was wrong but so was Tads. At least Zach confessed to the crime and I have yet to see Tad confess to the actual crime that he committed when he buried Madden alive twice.

Quote:WTH? Greenlee begged Kendall not to put spike in her car and then she only took him for 10 minutes or so before bringing him back. It doesn't come close to Zach's premeditated murder of multiple babies.

Zach is a MASS BABY KILLER. Greenlee had a car ACCIDENT.
The babies weren't the only deaths Zach had a hand in. He ignored Dr. Madden's pleas for help and let him die slowly buried alive.

You obviously interpret things differently than I, and many other viewers, do on the crimes that have occurred in PV. There are too many to name, and too many that have gone unpunished. Justice in PV is definitely not on equal footing, depending who you are.

Greenlee has NEVER paid for any of the things/crimes she has committed. Her crimes have been whitewashed and are now forgotten. Her hands are clean, and anyone but her accepts responsibility for them. All I've ever wanted was for Greenlee to admit to her wrongdoings, accept punishment, and actually show some regret. I haven't seen that.

Zach, on the other hand, has paid for his "crimes" in many ways - in jail, losing his wife, friends, etc. He admits to and owns his transgressions. He HAS done time, has tried to make up for things he's done, and has had to work for forgiveness/acceptance with many people.

I'm no hypocrite. I think Tad should pay for Madden too. I never said he should get a free pass. And I don't have a problem with Greenlee having to pay for reckless driving either. I just don't see how people can hate her for having an accident and at the same time pat the BABY KILLER in the back for a job well done.It's this kind of lopsided fan-wanking that has made me stop liking Zach and eventually HATE his guts.

The difference is that Zach...made the decision to protect Kendall with the blackout. Obviously, he was wrong, he has said he was wrong..he apologized to Greenlee even for being wrong. He made a mistake but he made it with GOOD intentions, however misguided...to protect Kendall.

Greenlee on the other hand KIDNAPPED a child, she turned her back on her "BEST FRIEND" who asked her for help and drove away leaving that same best friend in pain and on her way to the hospital. While Zach did what he did to protect Kendall, I would like to think of one person that would have been the benefit of Greenlee's mistake..except Greenlee. There was no way I can view this as anything but selfish. ANd then she lied to the police to cover what she did.

Justice is very wishy washy in Pine Valley. Tad, Adam, Kwak (except she was in jail) Babe, JR, Ryan, Greenlee, Zach, Greenlee, etc. should ALL be in jail. So I prefer to look at intentions. Zach did something stupid for someone he loved and Greenlee did something stupid for herself.

What makes Zach's crime worse for me is that he knew that Kendall wanted those babies too. He just thought that killing those babies would be easier than telling her that Ryan was alive because he knew that she still had feelings for him. If he wanted to stop the pregnancy all he had to do was TELL HER THE TRUTH! "Ryan isn't dead and he might even come back if you don't go through with this because he's scared to death that he will turn into his father."

Zach could not tell her the truth..in his mind.. because he knew that Kendall would go looking for Ryan and he considered Ryan to be dangerous and a threat to Kendall. Hell, even Ryan thought he was a threat..that's why he left town.He made a poor judgement call..he admits that now, he underestimated Kendall's strength. It came back to bite him in the butt and he and Kendall (and Greenlee) all suffered.Zach made a huge mistake and had to deal with the consequences...and did, like a man, no excuses. When confronted, he admitted what he did.Greenlee's mistakes are just being whitewashed like they never happened. But they did happen and her inane ability to feel she can run everyone's life is annoying at best. Greenlee is the one that is going around telling everyone what to do..even Jack called her on it the other day when she started badmouthing Erica. He told her she was the last person to talk.

Quote: "Ryan isn't dead and he might even come back if you don't go through with this because he's scared to death that he will turn into his father." Sure. After Zach witnessed the poor, he's so sorry and frightened Ryan tear apart a hotel room, threaten a pregnant woman, and lunge at Kendall. Yeah. He's scared to death, all right.And he had NO plans to return, ever. He said so. Make all the excuses you want. Hide behind the 'I liked Zach until he did blah, blah, blah' Whatever. You hate Zach because he makes your boy look like the ape he is. Own it.

Quote:Quote: "Ryan isn't dead and he might even come back if you don't go through with this because he's scared to death that he will turn into his father." Sure. After Zach witnessed the poor, he's so sorry and frightened Ryan tear apart a hotel room, threaten a pregnant woman, and lunge at Kendall. Yeah. He's scared to death, all right.And he had NO plans to return, ever. He said so. Make all the excuses you want. Hide behind the 'I liked Zach until he did blah, blah, blah' Whatever. You hate Zach because he makes your boy look like the ape he is. Own it. WTF? I don't even like Ryan! As a woman that has struggled with infertility I HATE ZACH BECAUSE HE IS A BABY KILLING SCUMBAG!Own that!

Quote: I'm no hypocrite. I think Tad should pay for Madden too. I never said he should get a free pass. And I don't have a problem with Greenlee having to pay for reckless driving either. I just don't see how people can hate her for having an accident and at the same time pat the BABY KILLER in the back for a job well done.It's this kind of lopsided fan-wanking that has made me stop liking Zach and eventually HATE his guts. LMAO pathetic and a hypocrite, at least own it.If you are a true fan of a character nothing can make you hate them, so spare me that this or that made you hate Zach.A car accident? Now that's fanwanking. It was reckless driving, she drove an innocent child off a cliff and caused another one to be born 4 months premature, that's more than a "car accident"I love how people can't defend their favorite characters own their own merits, they have to bring up other characters misdeeds. Pathetic once again LMAO

Since when are embryos babies?As someone who has herself had 1 child and could have no more due to infertility issues, I could never say losing my embryos could come anywhere close to what I would feel losing my only child.Zach destroyed some embryos, and once the truth came out he clearly felt remorseful for it. He didn't even attempt to keep Kendall in his life, he gave her space.Greenlee selfishly kidnapped Kendall's only child and in the process almost kills him and her new unborn child. Then to boot, afterwards Greenlee wouldn't leave Kendall alone.Greenlee and Zach's actions are nowhere near equal, how can anyone compare the two?Instead of throwing out accusations of "fan-wanking" you need to look to yourself.

Quote: Quote: I'm no hypocrite. I think Tad should pay for Madden too. I never said he should get a free pass. And I don't have a problem with Greenlee having to pay for reckless driving either. I just don't see how people can hate her for having an accident and at the same time pat the BABY KILLER in the back for a job well done.It's this kind of lopsided fan-wanking that has made me stop liking Zach and eventually HATE his guts. LMAO pathetic and a hypocrite, at least own it.If you are a true fan of a character nothing can make you hate them, so spare me that this or that made you hate Zach.A car accident? Now that's fanwanking. It was reckless driving, she drove an innocent child off a cliff and caused another one to be born 4 months premature, that's more than a "car accident"I love how people can't defend their favorite characters own their own merits, they have to bring up other characters misdeeds. Pathetic once again LMAO Ok, nothing can make you hate Zach. Logic and truth is beyond you. At least you admit you are pathetic.

Quote:WTF? I don't even like Ryan! As a woman that has struggled with infertility I HATE ZACH BECAUSE HE IS A BABY KILLING SCUMBAG!Own that! I hate to be insensitive but what do you think of a woman who took a child with the intent to kidnap him? That is ok? Spike was given to Greenlee as a token of trust by Kendall. Trust that she would protect him while his mom hurried to the hospital with the possibility of losing a child. Remember Greenlee wanted to be part of the family. So I'm to assume since you have turned this thread into a bash Zach thread that you must be ok with it.IMO Zach only ruined eggs He has apologized up one wall and down the other. However, if Greenlee wanted to have a child, there is nothing in the world that stops her from having more eggs harvested. It's not as if she can't do that again. She isn't infertile, she just can't carry her own child.

You're choosing to hate a character based on unknown embryos belonging to unknown and undeveloped characters that were incubated in a "one sperm fits all" clinic of a madman. I'm so touched by your far-reaching empathy.I choose to save my dislike for a character that has a well-developed selfishness and is front and center and allowed to push down anyone that gets in the way of what she wants. Greenlee came back to town a year ago and began a weeks long campaign, continually threatening to take away Kendall's child, only changing her mind when everyone bowed and scraped before her in an attempt to placate her. Her friend, another major character on the show who was carrying a baby that was much further along than an embryo, and the child of well-established characters, finally started to trust her again and asked her to take care of her child so that she could save the life of her baby.During this brief period, Greenlee actually considered the possibility that because she desired a child, and because this child was once meant to be hers (until she abandoned it as not being worthy of her), why not take this one? Never mind that this child was much loved and bonded with her best friend. Never mind that Greenlee had plenty of opportunity to have another child. This one was right here, right NOW, and since this isn't the first time that Greenlee has channeled Veruca Salt, she actually made the decision to TAKE him - even executing a physical u-turn to make it happen. I don't care if the trip to felony town lasted ten minutes or ten seconds. The fact that she for one moment thought this was a good idea highlights just how BSC she is. What makes it even more effed up is that she changed her mind right around the time that he started screaming for his mom. I don't think that was compassion rearing it's head, it was the desire to shut the kid up.So, to sum up: Zach did something wrong, but it didn't affect anyone even remotely on the AMC radar. Greenlee did something wrong, and it created much devastation for many characters I care about a LOT.teh winnar is Zach!

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It's this kind of lopsided fan-wanking that has made me stop liking Zach and eventually HATE his guts.

Quote: Ok, nothing can make you hate Zach. Logic and truth is beyond you.
At least you admit you are pathetic.
Dude how can you even say that after just saying that "fanwanking" has made you hate a character. How is one related to the other???
It seems to be that logic and truth is beyond YOU.

Well, I got tired of people telling me that I have no right to hate what Zach did and stopped watching. Infertility is not uncommon. I am one of many people that considered Greenlee/Ryan and Kendall's (because she wanted them too) as children. Viable fertilized embryos' are living. VIABLE MEANS 'ABLE TO LIVE AND GROW'. Just because it was Zach that killed them I have no right to be morally outraged? IMO Talk like that has driven many of us from the show and that is why AMC is in last place in the Nielsen's.With Jesse and Angie back this is a good time for AMC to bring many of us back and one of the first things that has to be done is have Zach pay for his crime. Murdering those babies was a worse SL than when they un-aborted Josh.No amount of fanwanking and character propping can make many of many of us forget.

Quote:No amount of fanwanking and character propping can make many of many of us forget. That's exactly how I feel about Greenlee.

Quote: one of the first things that has to be done is have Zach pay for his crime. Zach HAS paid for his mistake many times. He almost lost the love of his life for starts, and that, in the soap world, is one of the biggest tragedies that can befall a character. That one mistake of his is also what led to Greenlee being back to wreak hell in everyone's lives.

I don't think Zach ever paid for what he had done. He was given a free pass. Really gross if you ask me.

I think Tad should have done some jail time too for burying Madden alive.

Quote:I don't think Zach ever paid for what he had done. He was given a free pass. Really gross if you ask me.
I think Tad should have done some jail time too for burying Madden alive.

Of course..he paid. Free pass? He was asked by Kendall if he did the crime at the blackout and he was honest and said yes..and she walked out on him. It was months before she forgave him. Then he was in jail for the murder of Madden and in trial...and was only released when Tad lied on the stands.

He then admitted his wrong doing to the police to keep Tad out of jail.

That is a lot more than Greenlee has done. Greenlee caused havoc all summe. SHe had Ryan arrested on his wedding day after falsely letting him think they were divorced. She threatned to sue for custody of SPike, the child she walked out on two years earlier..r and then took him when Kendall was at her most vulnerable.

And how did she pay? Her father told her to lie to the police, she lied to Kendall...and then it was totally white washed by stating that Spike was deaf all along, like her kidnapping him and dissing the trust her best friend bestowed upon her...was nothing at all.

Was Greenlee even honest with anyone? Maybe Zach did not spend enough time in jail for his crimes but where was Greenlee's even five minutes of jail time?

Its over two years and people are still discussing the blackout..but what Greenlee has done has been conveniently forgotten.

She has never paid for one thing she has done..and then she gets to make judgements and interfere in everyone's life. Even Jack called her on it..he told her she was the last person to talk.

I don't think Kendall's walking out on Zach is a fit punishment for what he did. Zach definitely got a free pass. I imagine that the writers thought that Ethan's death was supposed to be Zach's punishment. He lost a son for the loss of Greenlee's children. But IMO that failed to work because Ethan and Zach were estranged even to Ethan's death. Greenlee 'paid' when Kendall framed her for attempted kidnapping and that led to Greenlee nearly dying with Zach.Tad never paid for Madden but he was looking for his daughter. I think he should have spent some time in jail for what he did just like I would have liked to have seen Zach spend some time in jail. Zach was never even arrested for the Black Out.

Quote:Greenlee 'paid' when Kendall framed her for attempted kidnapping and that led to Greenlee nearly dying with Zach.. I don't get that logic at all. Greenlee paid by nearly dying with Zach...but Zach never paid by nearly dying with Greenlee?Yeah that makes sense.Zach has admitted his wrongdoing and owned up to his actions all along. He never blamed anyone else, he never passed the buck, he took responsibility and ownership to what happened.That is certainly more than Greenlee has ever done.

Quote:Quote:Greenlee 'paid' when Kendall framed her for attempted kidnapping and that led to Greenlee nearly dying with Zach.. I don't get that logic at all. Greenlee paid by nearly dying with Zach...but Zach never paid by nearly dying with Greenlee?Yeah that makes sense.Zach has admitted his wrongdoing and owned up to his actions all along. He never blamed anyone else, he never passed the buck, he took responsibility and ownership to what happened.That is certainly more than Greenlee has ever done. Kathy, I can't add a thing.....you said it all perfectly!

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Greenlee 'paid' when Kendall framed her for attempted kidnapping and that led to Greenlee nearly dying with Zach.

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I don't get that logic at all. Greenlee paid by nearly dying with Zach...but Zach never paid by nearly dying with Greenlee?

Yeah that makes sense.

Zach has admitted his wrongdoing and owned up to his actions all along. He never blamed anyone else, he never passed the buck, he took responsibility and ownership to what happened.

That is certainly more than Greenlee has ever done.

It should be obvious why Zach didn't pay for his crime in the shelter. Greenlee was there because of the events KENDALL put into motion as PAYBACK.

Zach was there because of a totally unrelated event. You can say Ritchie's hit and run was karma but you can't call it payback.

IMO Zach admitting that he destroyed her children does not absolve him in anyway. I think he offered to give her money if she would leave town, again, not much of an apology if you ask me.

Logical enough for you?

Quote:Quote:Greenlee 'paid' when Kendall framed her for attempted kidnapping and that led to Greenlee nearly dying with Zach.. I don't get that logic at all. Greenlee paid by nearly dying with Zach...but Zach never paid by nearly dying with Greenlee?Yeah that makes sense.Zach has admitted his wrongdoing and owned up to his actions all along. He never blamed anyone else, he never passed the buck, he took responsibility and ownership to what happened.That is certainly more than Greenlee has ever done. LOL Kathy good job! Touche

It should be obvious why Zach didn't pay for his crime in the shelter. Greenlee was there because of the events KENDALL put into motion as PAYBACK.Zach was there because of a totally unrelated event. You can say Ritchie's hit and run was karma but you can't call it payback.IMO Zach admitting that he destroyed her children does not absolve him in anyway. I think he offered to give her money if she would leave town, again, not much of an apology if you ask me.Logical enough for you? Logic.....humm....let's try:

Certain people on this show always get away with whatever they do, others not so much. Greenlee, Tad, Aiden, and the Laverys all get a free pass no matter what they do. Any member of Erica's family seem destined to pay for any and all crimes.

Quote:Certain people on this show always get away with whatever they do, others not so much. Greenlee, Tad, Aiden, and the Laverys all get a free pass no matter what they do. Any member of Erica's family seem destined to pay for any and all crimes. Erica's family and Adam Chandler always have to pay, and pay dearly for the slightest transgression....hmmmm.....Maybe that's why Adam, Erica, Zach, Kendall, Bianca and Josh are the overwhelmingly most popular characters on the show. It would seem that the majority of viewers like to see justice served, not criminals and abusers rewarded.

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When exactly did Greenlee face a judge for what she did to Spike? Oh, that's right. NEVER. Because Aidan helped her break out of jail. And when Kendall admitted what SHE'd done, Greenlee didn't confess then either. She hasn't paid SQUAT for the months of hell she put Kendall and Zach and those children through. And, frankly, the current actress doesn't even seem to play an awareness of the hell she wrought.